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​I don't consider referring to the original Greek as taking things out of context. Just as matter of interest, have you done an in depth study of the New Testament Church?

I could not be more specific that to give you all the verses that spoke of Elders in the New Testament Church context which is the period that I was studying. When a writer is studying the book of Acts say, they don't usually add a commentary on the book of Job.

I did not take the word apostle in the gospels out of context because my study did not include the 12 apostles in the gospels as that period was prechurch. My study was during the New Testament Church period.

Putting together the writings of over 40 authors is all me?

Why are you afraid to answer the question?

You are not going against the context Wormwood. You are stating the context which other refuse to admit to because they want to push a certain barrow. The feminist spirit is very alive and well in the church.

And who is to say what teaching is sound. I have been told many times that empty vessels make the most sound. Many years ago the Brethren eschewed the gifts of the spirit as they considered the teaching wasn't "sound." In the Charismatic renewal in the 60s in the UK, they were in the forefront...

​Can you show me the errors in this post please?

Thankyou Wormwood. Nice to see that there is someone else who is not pushing a barrow and ignoring context.

I noticed that you did not call Barrd's list a red herring. I wonder why? ESpecially as she did not discuss anything.

I am not sure what you mean by this statement but I do not think that I have ever said that Jesus did not give those ministries to the church. What I have said elsewhere is that one of the reasons why the church is so weak is that they do not acknowledge all five ministries. In many case one man...

​I don't consider being part of the Brethren, Baptist, Methodist, Anglican, Charismatic, Pentecostal and Nondenominational as being in one type of setting. The other thing about the Bible College I attended there were students from all sorts of denominations so I was exposed to all sorts of...

My experience was based on attendance at Brethren Churches, Baptist, Methodist, Charismatic, Anglican, Pentecostal, Non Denominational and reading over 40 books on the subject of the church. ​I have never attended or been involved in the Mormon church so I cannot give any view as to their...

If you read what I said, you will see that I stated that my involvement was with the Brethren AND pastor led churches AND I have read over 40 books on the subject. I did not come to any conclusion based solely on "I".

Act_14:23 And having handpicked elders for them in every assembly, having prayed with fastings, they committed them to the Lord into whom they had believed. Act_15:2 Then dissension and not a little disputation with them having taken place by Paul and Barnabas, they appointed Paul and...

​No they were not as the Elders in the gospels were usually referred to in regards to the Jewish religion which I was not studying.

The word apostle is recorded eight times in the gospels and every one refers to the 12 that Jesus chose to follow him. My study was in the context of the church as I indicated and in that context it was Paul as apostle, a ministry not a title. If I was studying the ministry of the apostle as a...

What do you mean by "stating this?" Abstracts are difficult for autistic people to understand.

One. I read the whole of the New Testament and checked specific words in Greek. Two. I read over 40 books on the subject. The author was irrelevant. If the book has the word "Church" in it I read it. This gave me a very wide ranging understanding of what other people thought. Three. I...

Would that include spending millions on buildings which you have no problem with?