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Dear GodsGrace, You asked: Confessing and believing are works? Yes, they are works if you claim them as coming from your own free will ability. You are denying the truth that is taught in the verses below: Phil 2:13 For it is God which worketh in you both to will and to do of his good...

CONTINUED FROM THE PREVIOUS POST... You said: You say Eve put her own desires above Gods. OK. So you believe Eve had her own desires. This means she had free will. So how does you using Proverbs 20:24 make any sense? No. Eve had a "will" but it was not free. You are making that assumption...

Dear GodsGrace, You asked: What version are you reading? What do you think Ecc 1:13 is stating? The translation is from the Concordant Literal Translation. Here is the full verse: Ecc 1:13 Ecc 1:13 I applied my heart to inquiring and exploring by wisdom all that is done under the heavens...

Dear marks, Yes, confessing and believing is something that we do BUT it is caused to happen by Christ after He gives us both the Early and Latter Rains of the Spirit. Prov 16:1 The preparations of the heart in man, and the answer of the tongue, is from the LORD. Phil 2:13 For it is God...

Dear GodsGrace, Salvation does not come before faith and I do not teach that it does. Faith in Christ is what makes Christ's pathway straight for Him to come and convert a person into the new vessel. This spiritual process is called conversion and is taught over and over again in scripture...

Dear GodsGrace, You asked: Where does the bible state that Adam and Eve sinned because God planned for them to sin? Ecc 1:13 An experience of evil God has given to the sons of humanity to humble them by it. Jer 18:4 And the vessel that he made of clay was marred in the hand of the potter: so...

Dea marks, The "many" who received Christ are the ones who were given the Early Rain of the Spirit from God. They received Christ not by their own "will" but by God's "will". You are fitting your belief in man's works into scripture when it is not there. Look at what Christ told Peter. This...

Dear marks, Your comments are untrue and only show your ignorance of how Christ saves mankind. To be saved, Christ knows that mankind must be "born again". This happens when Christ changes us spiritually. After this change, a person will be able to understand and love God. Children of the...

Dear marks, Christ must come to a person first and give them Early and Latter Rains of the Spirit. After He does, they will come to Him just as a bride who goes out to meet the Bridegroom or just as the Prodigal son returns to his Father. In our present condition as children of the devil, we...

Dear marks, All sin is evil. After a person sins, they become a child of the Devil who is evil: 1John 3:8 He that committeth sin is of the devil; for the devil sinneth from the beginning. For this purpose the Son of God was manifested, that he might destroy the works of the devil. 9 Whosoever...

Dear marks, You said: God is not on the one hand telling man not to sin, that He doesn't want us to sin, that He commands us to resist sin, that the way to be happy is to not give in, and then on the other had secretly pleased by man's sin filfulling God's own secret desire. The Old Covenant of...

Dear Biblepaige, I don't believe it affirms marks' post. Marks was arguing that God looked into the future and saw that Adam was going to sin because of his free will ability to make that choice. This is not what Paul was teaching in Rom 9:17-19. In that passage, it was God's "will" for...

Dear marks, You do not understand the ways of God. His ways are not like the ways of man. God uses evil for His good purpose of creating children who will be like Him; who have a knowledge of good and evil. Consider these verses: Ecc 1:13 An experience of evil God has given to the sons of...

Dear Biblepaige, You said "I think that passage affirms "their" post". Whose post are you referencing? Joe

Dear marks, If that were so, then your comment also applies to Paul because of what Paul said below: Rom 9:17 For the scripture saith unto Pharaoh, Even for this same purpose have I raised thee up, that I might shew my power in thee, and that my name might be declared throughout all the earth...

Dear Biblepaige, I wholeheartedly agree with your statement. Human "will" is nothing for Christ to overcome: Dan 4:35 And all the inhabitants of the earth are reputed as nothing; and he doeth according to his will in the army of the heavens, and among the inhabitants of the earth; and none...

Dear Berean, You sound like the people who questioned Paul about the same truth: Rom 9:17 For the scripture saith unto Pharaoh, Even for this same purpose have I raised thee up, that I might shew my power in thee, and that my name might be declared throughout all the earth. 18 Therefore hath he...

Dear Stumpmaster, You are not looking at creation from the mind of Christ. Everything that God made from the beginning was good and it was especially good for His purpose of birthing His offspring (children of God) who He desired to have a knowledge of good and evil. Scripture clearly says...

Dear Biblepaige, You said: The proposal in a synopsis of your extensive sharing and as I understand it being, God made us to fall so he could create us anew through his mercy. IMHO, this makes for vacating any notion of God being benevolent. Or grace filled. It isn't an example of grace, IMHO...

Dear Berean, Adam and Eve sinned because God planned and caused them to sin. It did not happen by chance. God caused Adam and Eve to sin by creating them spiritually marred (Jer 18:4) and subject to vanity (Rom 8:20). In this weak spiritual condition, the body of flesh that He gave them...