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  1. keithr

    A Curious Question For Non-Trinitarians

    Or as more modern translations than the KJV translate it (e.g. WEB): (8) All who dwell on the earth will worship him, everyone whose name has not been written from the foundation of the world in the book of life of the Lamb who has been killed. It's the names of people that has been written...
  2. keithr

    A Curious Question For Non-Trinitarians

    Indeed. Paul wrote in verse 8, "But of the Son he says, “Your throne, O God, is forever and ever." - so Paul is claiming that this quotation was God talking to His Son, Jesus, and Jesus is not Yahweh. Again, Paul tells us that this was talking about Jesus, and Yahweh is Jesus' God. Yahweh is...
  3. keithr

    A Curious Question For Non-Trinitarians

    What about cherubims and seraphims? Philippians 2:6 tells us Jesus existed "in the form of God". We know that he was mortal, for 1 Timothy 6:16 says of God, "who alone has immortality", and because God was able to change him into a mortal human, and Jesus died.
  4. keithr

    A Curious Question For Non-Trinitarians

    I'm not trying to claim that Jesus is God - I think you must be getting confused about the point I was making, which was, "Jesus did not exist as a man before he was born by Mary, but he did exist as a spirit being before that, as God's only begotten son". By quoting that John 8:42 I was trying...
  5. keithr

    A Curious Question For Non-Trinitarians

    I rarely rely on the NLT because it is based on The Living Bible, which is a parphrase translation rather than a precise, accurate translation. For example, in verse 15 it says "visible likeness" which is not an accurate translation of the Greek word eikon, which means image, likeness or...
  6. keithr

    A Curious Question For Non-Trinitarians

    I think that I've agreed with everything that you've written so far, so I'm surprised that I now find I'm having to disagree with you on that last point. Yes, Jesus did not exist as a man before he was born by Mary, but he did exist as a spirit being before that, as God's only begotten son...
  7. keithr

    A Curious Question For Non-Trinitarians

    Yes, Paul quotes the Old Testament verse Joel 2:32, which refers to God Yahweh. However, he's not implying that it is referring to Jesus rather than Yahweh. Verse 11: (11) For the scripture saith, Whosoever believeth on him shall not be ashamed. is referring to Isaiah 28:16 (Therefore thus...
  8. keithr

    A Curious Question For Non-Trinitarians

    No he doesn't! Romans 10:9 (WEB): (9) that if you will confess with your mouth that Jesus is Lord, and believe in your heart that God raised him from the dead, you will be saved. Paul says we must confess Jesus is our Lord, not that he is God. He says that God raised Jesus from the dead, so...
  9. keithr

    A Curious Question For Non-Trinitarians

    You had typed: Okay, so if you were not assuming that God gave up His glory, you were nevertheless saying that God gave glory to Jesus. But to be in harmony with Isaiah 42:8, where God says that He doesn't give His glory to anyone else, then surely the only conclusion is that the glory that...
  10. keithr

    A Curious Question For Non-Trinitarians

    It looks to me to be pure obstinance to insist that "yesterday" means "eternity past"! That's not what the word means, in English or the Greek word chthes. The Greek word ctthes is only used three times, and it is always translated as 'yesterday' The other two uses are: Acts 7:28) Do you...
  11. keithr

    A Curious Question For Non-Trinitarians

    You are assuming that if Jesus is not God then God must have given up His glory and given it to Jesus, which is obviously not correct! Your logic is flawed. God has glory, Jesus has glory, angels have glory, men have glory - even the sun, moon and stars have glory (1 Corinthians 15:41). Their...
  12. keithr

    A Curious Question For Non-Trinitarians

    It is a correct statement, of course. Jesus, while a man, was the mediator between God and men, and by the sacrifice of his life he was able to mediate the New Covenant. Moses was the mediator of the Old Covenant, who came between God and Israel as the messenger of it, and he sprinkled the...
  13. keithr

    A Curious Question For Non-Trinitarians

    Jesus has not been human since his resurrection. He cannot take back that which he sacrificed for the redemption of mankind. Likewise, as Christians, following in Jesus' footsteps, we sacrifice our lives and we will be resurrected as spirit beings, having the same divine nature as Jesus now...
  14. keithr

    A Curious Question For Non-Trinitarians

    Jesus, like all other living beings, only had one nature at a time. He was a spirit being, the only begotten Son of God, but he was mortal (he could die, whereas God is immortal [1 Timothy 6:16] and cannot die). Then God changed Jesus' nature to be human, and human only. When God resurrected...
  15. keithr

    A Curious Question For Non-Trinitarians

    Why do you keep being so insulting and accusing to anyone who doesn't agree with your interpretation of the Bible? You're not showing Christian love, you're displaying the spirit of Satan - Revelation 12:10 (WEB): (10) I heard a loud voice in heaven, saying, “Now the salvation, the power, and...
  16. keithr

    A Curious Question For Non-Trinitarians

    If Scripture seems to contradict itself then we should think that we must have misunderstood part of it. In the case of Titus 2:13 (WEB): (13) looking for the blessed hope and appearing of the glory of our great God and Savior, Jesus Christ; you have understood it to mean that Jesus is both...
  17. keithr

    Christians are not under the New Covenant

    However, it was conditional on the Israelites keeping their side of the covenant - Exodus 19:5-6 (WEB): (5) Now therefore, if you will indeed obey my voice, and keep my covenant, then you shall be my own possession from among all peoples; for all the earth is mine; (6) and you shall be to me...
  18. keithr

    A Curious Question For Non-Trinitarians

    You're still not listening to what Jesus said! John 17:3 (WEB): (3) This is eternal life, that they should know you, the only true God, and him whom you sent, Jesus Christ. Our Father (and Jesus' Father) is the only true God. Clear and simple. Believe Jesus! John 8:43-47 (WEB): (43) Why...
  19. keithr

    Christians are not under the New Covenant

    Okay, if you don't like the term "Law Covenant" then instead use the term "Mosaic Covenant" or "Sinaitic Covenant", or "Sinaitic Law Covenant" as I referred to it as in my original post. From Wikipedia: The Mosaic covenant (named after Moses), also known as the Sinaitic covenant (named after...
  20. keithr

    A Curious Question For Non-Trinitarians

    Repeating those Scriptures: Deuteronomy 18:19 (WEB): (19) It shall happen, that whoever will not listen to my words which he shall speak in my name, I will require it of him. Acts 3:22-23 (WEB): (22) For Moses indeed said to the fathers, ‘The Lord God will raise up a prophet for you from...