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  1. keithr

    The Seed of your Righteousness

    Where does it say in the Bible that only God could create the world? I believe it was God's design and instructions, but he asked Jesus to do the creating. Col 1:16 (WEB) tells us that "For by him [Jesus] all things were created ... all things have been created through him, and for him", so...
  2. keithr

    The Seed of your Righteousness

    What you said was, "or worse, as you do, if you never read it, but only read bible commentaries". So you said that I never read the Bible. I replied that I have read the whole Bible. I can also confirm that I do continue reading the Bible (all those Bible verses that I have quoted in this...
  3. keithr

    The Seed of your Righteousness

    Yes, effectively. Jesus was mortal before his resurrection. When on the earth in human form, he was exactly like us physically. If he could be transformed into a mortal man then he must have been mortal beforehand (immortal means that's it's impossible for you to die). Php 2:7-11 says that...
  4. keithr

    The Seed of your Righteousness

    You're not reading what the Bible says. The touching is irrelevant. Its says, "When the woman saw that the tree was good for food, and that it was a delight to the eyes, and that the tree was to be desired to make one wise, she took some of its fruit, and ate" (Gen 3:6). It doesn't say that...
  5. keithr

    The Seed of your Righteousness

    I have not "tossed aside" any Bible references. Just because I may not have commented on every single Bible reference doesn't mean I have ignored them! Please give examples of what you mean, especially if you would like me to comment on those Bible references. As you have described...
  6. keithr

    The Seed of your Righteousness

    And here is more for you: Hebrews 1:1-14: God, who at many times and in many ways spoke in time past to the fathers by the prophets, Hath in these last days spoken to us by his Son, whom he hath appointed heir of all things, by whom also he made the worlds; Who being the brightness of his...
  7. keithr

    The Seed of your Righteousness

    You seem to have difficulty reading and understanding what you and I have written, let alone the Bible! I said that I had read the whole Bible because you had accused me of not having read it. You had written "If you only read it, or worse, as you do, if you never read it, but only read bible...
  8. keithr

    The Seed of your Righteousness

    Why are you making such assumptions?! I have read the whole of the Bible. Again, you're not giving Bible references, so I'll give it, so we can look up the context to better understand: (Joh 8:56) Your father Abraham rejoiced to see my day: and he saw it, and was glad. (Joh 8:57) Then said...
  9. keithr

    The Seed of your Righteousness

    Definitely not! No, although a lot of their doctrine is correct. It's a lot closer to that than the apostate church that gave us the doctrine of the Trinity, hundreds of years later. This is a Bible Study discussion forum, so why not try and prove your claims from the Bible, as I have been...
  10. keithr

    The Seed of your Righteousness

    Who is that? o_O You should read the Bible more carefully! Jesus never claimed to be God. Read John 10:33-38 again: The Jews answered him, “We don’t stone you for a good work, but for blasphemy: because you, being a man, make yourself God.” Jesus answered them, “Isn’t it written in your law...
  11. keithr

    The Seed of your Righteousness

    My reasoning is based on the word of God, i.e. the Bible, and I consider myself a very logical thinking person (my brother used to call me Spock!) God will leave the judgement to Jesus, and everyone will be judged after they die. "For we will all stand before the judgment seat of Christ" (Rom...
  12. keithr

    The Seed of your Righteousness

    Jesus is not God, but that is a wholly different and long discussion! That famous verse, spoken by Jesus, says that Jesus was God's only begotten son, and that whoever believes in Jesus can have eternal life - it says nothing about going home to heaven. Christians will be resurrected as spirit...
  13. keithr

    The Seed of your Righteousness

    Jesus dosen't say in the John 3 discourse when you must be born again, and he certainly dosen't say that you must be alive and breathing in order to be born again. Indeed, the apostle Paul says, "But someone will say, How are the dead raised up, and with what body do they come? Foolish one...
  14. keithr

    The Seed of your Righteousness

    Again, I believe that we have been begotten, not that we have died and instantly been born again, living in the same body as before. As Paul said in 2Cor 5:1-4 (WEB): "For we know that if the earthly house of our tent is dissolved, we have a building from God, a house not made with hands...
  15. keithr

    The Seed of your Righteousness

    Or, Christ died on earth, and we must also follow in his footsteps and also die on earth. We will meet God in heaven as Father because we were begotten on earth as new creatures, and following in Jesus' footsteps we will be born (resurrected) as spirit beings, as part of a new creation, having...
  16. keithr

    The Seed of your Righteousness

    I have a different understanding of "being born again" than most people. Here's an article that I wrote many years ago to explain it: Many Christians seem to misunderstand what it means to be “born again”. They may ask you if you have been “born again”, and claim that they have been...