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This has always been and always will be until Jesus returns. It is simply because churches are filled with sinners saved by Grace whom though declared perfect, have not reached that perfection yet.

Except Paul did not limit it to the Jews. 21 Hath not the potter power over the clay, of the same lump to make one vessel unto honour, and another unto dishonour? 22 What if God, willing to shew his wrath, and to make his power known, endured with much longsuffering the vessels of wrath fitted...

And yet you cannot and will not show from SCripture why TULIP is a "doctrine of devils as you falsely accuse. COWARD!

Actually that is not what the passage says. It say they were made fit for destruction. the passive voice in Greek means that someone actas on the subject . In this case someone acts on the last to make them lost! Remember every one is an object of wrath by nature. No one has to do anything...

Once again empty rhetoric with no validation. But as you say knowing the Greek is unimportant (another area you are benighted in), let me do a bible study for you from the inspired writer Paul who wrote in Koine Greek! 2 What if God, willing to shew his wrath, and to make his power known...

Well that is the bible. The passage "fiited for destruction is the perfect passive paticiple which means those going to hell were made fit for hell by God! That is what teh passive voice means- someone else does the work, in this case fitting people for destruction. that is the bible.

So do you believe that Father, son and Spirit are just different appearances of one entity or person? I want to make sure I do not misunderstand you. do you believe teh Father isa different "person" than the son who is a different person than the Spirit yet they are all God? What is called the...

Wrong again oh benighted one. Everyone could not trust in Christ! that is just the nature of man! God looked at humanity, of which no one would ever choose Jesus of themselves and allowed some to believe! Oh the riches of His mercy! All of mankind if we got what we deserve would burn...

You use such a horrendous unbiblical exegesis. The vessels fitted for destruction are just like the vessels of Glory, they are prepared ahead of time! You really should work on your English grammar before you try to pass yourself off as a bible teacher. So you attempted to reply to a few...

Wrong again. 4 According as he hath chosen us in him before the foundation of the world, that we should be holy and without blame before him in love: It was done before He even spoke the universe into existence! And the verse above showed He did it ahead of time! not subsequent to. Your...

They all share the same divinity but they are separate beings, unless you are a tri-modalist.

Once again all talk but no bible. YOu are as phony as a four dollar bill

Incorrect, the Father draws people to Jesus , not HImself. 44 No man can come to me, except the Father which hath sent me draw him: and I will raise him up at the last day. Well in this discussion one either believes in the points of Calvin or the points of Jacob Arminius. Both cite Scriptures...

That is incorrect.

Of course there is no conflict for the Father does not draw believers to HImself but to Jesus! 44 No man can come to me, except the Father which hath sent me draw him: and I will raise him up at the last day.

Wow now you show you cannot even tell teh difference between teh Father and son! Answer this verse oh lying coward: Romans 9:14-24 King James Version 14 What shall we say then? Is there unrighteousness with God? God forbid. 15 For he saith to Moses, I will have mercy on whom I will have...

YOu are a coward! You will not post the five points because you know if people see the five points and the biblical support used to list the five points- they will no longer listen to you! YOu are like margarine- you look like butter, spread like butter, but have no qualities that are butter!

Augustine was right in many things as well as wrong in many things! Predestination is biblical whether some dead saint believes it or not! But let us assume you are correct in that Armenianism is closer to the Bible. Can you please take the five points Jacob Arminius proposed at the Council...

Well when you prove Alexander the Great was real, I will show how Jesus was real.

That is quite incorrect. Yes it iis the person believing and receiving. But they cannot have faith until it is given to them. And they cannot come to Jesus until they are drawn to HIm by the Father! Once again teh natural or unsaved man does not have the capacity to choose Jesus or trust in...