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That's not the topic of this thread. It's about how to get to heaven when you die? What happens at death so that a person will go (eventually) to heaven? Or, are you saying that there is no heaven and that at death the breath of life leaves us so that we are nothing more than a body with the...

ATP, I also am a born again, evangelical Christian who reads and has taught NT Greek. I read the NT in the original language and cannot conclude that it teaches soul sleep for believers or unbelievers at death. See my article, What is the nature of death according to the Bible? Oz

Would you please back-quote so that I know to which post you are referring?

Are you discussing the immaterial part[s] of human beings and what happens to those immaterial parts at death? Does a human being have an unseen soul/spirit on earth? Is this one of the issues you are raising?

Would you please summarise the issues you are raising from these verses? Are you asking for the differentiation - if any - between breath and spirit/soul in OT and NT?

Here I demonstrate from Scripture that soul sleep is not a biblical teaching: 'Soul sleep: A refutation'.

Jesus is not God the Father. He is God, one member of the Trinity. Are you non-Trinitarian?

I understand logical fallacies well, but the fact is that the word 'heaven' does NOT appear in the passage on the rich man and Lazarus (Lk 16) because the ultimate destiny of believers - heaven - has not yet arrived. Believers await the final consummation. We also need to consider the place of...

Even though Jesus told the story/parable before the passion-resurrection, Luke 16:31 (ESV) does seem to give credence to your point: 'He said to him, ‘If they do not hear Moses and the Prophets, neither will they be convinced if someone should rise from the dead.’”

You are complaining about adding to the story and engaging in eisegesis of Luke 16:19-31 (ESV). However, it is you who is speaking of 'heaven' in this passage. Where is the Greek ouranos (heaven) in this passage?

In Luke 16:19-31 (ESV), the story (parable) of the rich man and Lazarus, it does not say that 'the good go to heaven'. It said that the poor man, Lazarus, 'was carried by the angels to Abraham's side [bosom]' (Lk 16: 22 ESV) while the rich man was in torment at death in Hades (Lk 16:23 ESV).

You've provided no exposition. I think you're drawing a long bow!

Where do I find that teaching in Scripture?

Phil 1:23 (NIV), 'I am torn between the two: I desire to depart and be with Christ, which is better by far'.

aspen, I think this is an over the top response. You stated; 'What do you think word (noun) made flesh (verb) means?'. However, this is what this sentence means (with parts of speech): What do you think that word (noun) made (verb) into (preposition) flesh (noun) means (verb)? So ewq was close...

Josh, Welcome on board, mate. I'm from a little further north in Brisbane. But I've experienced some of your Victorian snow way back in the 70s when I was a TV newsreader and host of a kids programme with Joey the Clown at Shepparton. But SE Qld does better for me in my older age. Besides, I'm...

Are you saying you have no control over your hate or that you do not know how to control your hate? You say that you are doing more harm than good. Why don't you take a break from the public forum until you learn how to bring this hate under control, which you discuss this situation with...

I don't understand why you are asking this question. Please help me to comprehend from where you are coming. Since that which was created (the heavens and the earth) by One who is uncreated, we are told that 'the Spirit of God was hovering over the face of the waters' (Gen 1;2 ESV). Doesn't...

Thanks BA for that recommendation.

ewq, Would you please help me to understand what you mean by the difference between Christianity and Churchianity?