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Let's try The Living Bible. Even though it is a paraphrase, like a rolling commentary, it has helped me over the years, and I have never found it to contradict translations. 5 Your attitude should be the kind that was shown us by Jesus Christ, 6 who, though he was God, did not demand and cling...

Okay, let's start over. How does the Word/God emptying Himself of His power as God to become mere man in order to die to take away our sin, affect us? You seem to be saying we must empty ourselves too, but we are not God. Are you also saying Jesus is not God, just because He emptied Himself to...

@BARNEY BRIGHT Don't you understand that scripture when read in context. First throw away your preconceived erroneous thought, and read just what it says.

You may say you are done with that subject, but if you really were I wouldn't have discerned it in what you said. And you may still be a bigot. We become what we've been damaged by. You're not healed yet, but by His stripes you can be healed.

I see you've been hurt, and are lashing out at bigots. What have they to do with Jesus? Is the real Jesus a bigot? Why try to diminish Him, as if you believe the bigots? Believe the truth, and the truth will make you free.

What? Read Philippians 2:5 again, but in context. 5 Have this mind in you, which was also in Christ Jesus: 6 who, existing in the form of God, counted not the being on an equality with God a thing to be grasped, 7 but emptied himself, taking the form of a servant, being made in the...

Why do you say it is error. Didn't Jesus say to be perfect, as My Father in heaven is perfect. What do you think He meant? After we are dead??? This should be interesting, seeing as you don't follow the words of Jesus, believing them an impossibility.

Dear, that statement is an uninformed statement - like not knowing the rest of the story. First, do you believe that before Jesus was conceived He was the WORD? (John 1:1) In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God. Do you know that the Word who was God...

That is true, even before He emptied Himself to became human. What I could never understand, but it is coming clearer now, is when Jesus came back with Psalm 82:6 to the Pharisees. 6 I have said, Ye are gods; and all of you are children of the most High. I'm not saying we are God, as Jesus is...

I would be VERY careful implying the Oneness group is demonic and doesn't recognize Jesus, only the Spirit - another spirit. Have you ever read Romans 8:9? But you are not in the flesh but in the Spirit, if indeed the Spirit of God dwells in you. Now if anyone does not have the Spirit of...

All I'm saying is I AM TRINITARIAN for the reasons you stated. But I will not judge the Oneness group who sees all three in the body of Jesus and love Him. You can if you want, but make sure you don't have any planks in your eyes. You are setting yourself up to be judged by God who loves those...

Well, this Trinitarian is not so cold and arrogant to think I have the Trinity understood infallibly. I am a student of the Word of God and will read it with an open mind. I'm not surprised you would go to the Christian Research Institute as your "authority." Did you see all the names the Son is...

Do not imply that I am a liar. I said what I meant, and I meant what I said. The three - Trinity are One - Oneness Do Oneness believe in the deity of Christ - yes. Do Trinitarians believe in the deity of Christ - yes. Do Oneness deny Christ - no. Do Trinitarians deny Christ - no. A Oneness...

Have you ever pondered Isaiah 9:6? For unto us a Child is born, Unto us a Son is given; And the government will be upon His shoulder. And His name will be called Wonderful Counselor, Mighty God, Everlasting Father, Prince of Peace. Jesus embodies the godhead. Wonderful Counselor is the Holy...

Yikes, #22! Okay, I'll read all those posts tomorrow.

The point I am making about an idiom, it doesn't have to be literal to the situation. A real thorn. Real pain. A real demon. They are just people or a situation that is frustrating to Paul. His life would be easier if God would just take them out of his way.

There is always a situation behind an idiom. And they can be different situations that cause us to use the idiom. So if you want to let the cat out of the bag, you can tell me what you said to hermit. See what I did there? I used an idiom, but you may not even own a cat, nor do I. :)

I don't. I take it as an expression. Any real pain is secondary. Paul received a lot of revelation that could really puff up his pride which is mentioned in the passage. But there was always someone around to disagree or mock his doctrines. We've both experienced the same thing on the forums...

Has anyone heard of Hebrew idioms? A "thorn in the flesh" is a common idiom, the same as our idiom "pain in the neck," as in my mother-in-law is a "pain in the neck," or some other body part. LOL Here is how it is used in Scripture. Judges 2:1Then the Angel of the Lord came up from Gilgal to...