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They certainly didn't have the power of the Spirit in the Old Testament, except for those who were anointed. But the New Covenant is different. It is not Law, but all Spirit.

Why wouldn't you answer my question? Stumped?

No it is heresy from the Reformation

I'm talking about born again Christians who have had their consciences super-sensitized, not carnal cannibals who love darkness. In other words, to know if you are REALLY a Christian or not.

Yes, I believe that.

I'm talking about sinless in the eyes of God. He looks at our heart and most importantly at our will. If you KNOW/have knowledge that something is a sin and you commit that sin, that is willful sin. That is something a Christian would not commit. It is written on their conscience. On the other...

It was for me too.

For us the "point" is when we repent and Jesus fills us with His Spirit called the seed of God. That is called being born again, and has to do with our old nature becoming new and immortal. That has to do with our soul and spirit/nature dying on the cross with Jesus, but not our body. Our body...

"Sons of God" are those directly created by God, such as Adam and the angels.

Yes, it is spiritually applied when we repent. Of course, it is also supplied ceremoniously in the Lord's Supper.

I agree and understand that, but what are you trying to say?

What is our scripture source?

That is not what I believe at all. Self-effort is how the Old Covenant worked. Only by the infilling of the Spirit of God are we no longer bound to the sin nature/flesh, but are given a new nature that partakes of the divine nature of God. The second is how the New Covenant works. Old vs. New...

Wow, that's a new one even for me, and I thought I'd heard them all.

I would be very surprised if you took me at my word with what you believe. But like it or not, we serve an Ultra-Supernatural God, who gave His Son to die for our sins, not to merely take the punishment for our sins so we could remain slaves to sin, but to recreate our character to be like that...

Good night @Nancy!

Yes, farouk, we are even cleansed from the desire to sin, making us truly righteous in the likeness of Jesus. Romans 8:29

Hmmmm! Dictionary according to Nancy!

That is heresy and outside the nature of God. Jesus makes us free from sin, to be able to call us children of God. John 8:34-36 If you sin, you are a sinner. If Jesus makes you free from all desire to sin supernaturally, you are a child of God. You are not both.

Well, I experienced it, so it is very real indeed, but it was 30 years after starting going to church. Not everyone who calls themselves a Christian has truly repented and been given this overwhelming, supernatural power of the Holy Spirit filling them to overflowing and remaining in them...