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Yeah it is a fruit of the spirit BECAUSE THE SPIRIT HELPS US TO COME TO FAITH. Again, a nonsensical argument. Its the work of God that we believe in the one he sent. Not our work.. (john 6) Your fear is deafening.

A man getting on his knees and begging for Gods mercy because he has come to the end of himself unable to even look up to heaven, has earned his salvation.. Wow man, I have heard everything no.. If this is calvinism. You just pushed me further away. In this case. NO ONE COULD GET SAVED, Even...

If this is about me, I have been proven wrong before. And I have changed my vies on things Today however. I have not been shown anything but strawman arguments which can go both ways.

Again, Its not there He bible was not written in chapters, It was written as a letter. Men put letters in there. I read the context of the discussion. Ad as you saw it was not there. Why don’t you show me the actual verses you are talking about. Instead of acting like you act. Or is that to...

I read the whole chapter. Better yet, I looked at what Jesus said in context. Now My soul is troubled, and what shall I say? ‘Father, save Me from this hour’? But for this purpose I came to this hour. 28 Father, glorify Your name.” Then a voice came from heaven, saying, “I have both glorified...

I understand basic context. Is this all your going to do? Because if it is, then you hav nothing to show me, Or really anyone else. Because all you are doing is trying to puff yourself up and knock someone you consider our enemy down..

I was not dragged to christ. Niether were your. Neither was Paul. Or peter, Or anyone else who has ever come to christ I was however, LED to christ. Through many things, The HS’s conviction and teaching, Being drawn by other believers who walked the walk, an I saw had the love of God and power...

Well then prove me wrong..

30 Jesus answered and said, lifted up from the earth, will draw all men to Myself.” 33 This He said, signifying by what death He would die. All men, Nothing here distinguishing one an or one people group from another..

Many are called. Few are chosen. Not everyone who is called and drawn by God will end up as God as children. John 6 is a clear example of this. As many who were called And Jesus drew to himself ended up walking away in unbelief.

Whatever NO one can come unless God draws them. It means no one can come unless God has done something to draw them to himself. Many people it takes years. Some can actually come in a short amount of time. One things that has never happened is no one has come by their own power. Something...

You just posted the scripture man I just gave a different interpretation. Then made a general statement that no one teaches what some claim others teach, that people can come to God on their own.. Take i or leave it.

No It says no one can come to God on their own. That the power of God has to help them, Which true believers understand. No person ever came to christ without the help of Gd enlightening them and drowning them over a period of time (sometimes years0 Until they finally stopped resisting God and...

Romans 9 can we stick to the topic?

I actually have placed him on ignore now. I just wanted to expose what he was doing. Because it happens a lot I have fulfilled that, Now I will do what I did on the other thread. And cut off all communication. It is fruitless.

Right now we are talking about romans 9, Can you please keep in context? Or is this too hard for you? By the way can you answer What reason did the pharisees use to show why they were Gods chosen people?

Yep And if you look at his posts to me for the past few years. That is what he has done, Bully and intimidate people who do not agree with him. Are you like him?

Ah “Two nations are in your womb” Not two babies are in your womb. Sorry I can not add to the word what is not here. So I will have to disagree with you.

Again/ This argument can be used against the user who posted it. All anyone has to do is look at his posts. It must be a calvinist trait. You attack anyone who disagrees with you. You tell everyone they do not listen to reason. they do not listen to scripture. Its called being a bully. You...

It means that the full time of gentile dominion over jerusalem is completed or accomplished. Ie, Nebuchadnezzars Statue is hit by the rock. The messiah has assumed his throne.