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    To what does the APOSTASIA refer

    You are correct, the falling away is an instantaneous event. The falling away is repentance and the death of the old man so that the new man, Christ can sit in the temple of God.
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    anyone here good at website building . would like to talk to you if you are an expert

    I’m an HTML and JavaScript programmer what do you need unholy 666?
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    It is time to give Pretrib a decent burial

    1Co 15:37 And that which thou sowest, thou sowest not that body that shall be, but bare grain, it may chance of wheat, or of some other grain: 1Co 15:38 But God giveth it a body as it hath pleased him, and to every seed his own body. What is the bare grain in verse 37? What is the body the...
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    It is time to give Pretrib a decent burial

    The resurrection has absolutely nothing to do with anything literally dead and these very verses SHOULD correct your grevious error but as usual you twist any verse that don’t line up with your made up version of what the Bible says. You are in serious error by denying what is plainly written.
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    It is time to give Pretrib a decent burial

    Deny it all you want but if you think our soul is not dead in sins and trespasses and needs to be raised to eternal life in Christ then I can’t help you.
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    It is time to give Pretrib a decent burial

    We’ve already discussed this on another thread and you did the same thing in that you’re doing here. BARE GRAIN is not the body, BARE GRAIN is the soul. 1Co 15:42 So also is the resurrection of the dead. It (the soul) is sown in corruption (the body); it is raised in incorruption: But you...
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    It is time to give Pretrib a decent burial

    You are correct those verses don’t say anything about a group resurrection and since you don’t understand the resurrection your ADDING spin to those verses.
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    When was the A.O.D fulfilled?

    God sent the armies to destroy Israel so how is that an abomination?
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    It is time to give Pretrib a decent burial

    I’m sorry I was multitasking, I should’ve said where do any of those verses say all believers will be changed to have immortal bodies at the same time.
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    It is time to give Pretrib a decent burial

    They can’t prove pre-trib anymore than someone can prove post or mid trib because there is no such thing as “the rapture”. “The rapture” verses are about the translation of Gods people from this world to the next world when the Lord comes for each of us individually when it’s time to leave this...
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    It is time to give Pretrib a decent burial

    If your talking about 1 Corinthians 15 then show me where it says anything about an immortal body. 1Co 15:51 Behold, I shew you a mystery; We shall not all sleep, but we shall all be changed, 1Co 15:52 In a moment, in the twinkling of an eye, at the last trump: for the trumpet shall sound...
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    When was the A.O.D fulfilled?

    Isa 34:8 For it is the day of the LORD'S vengeance, and the year of recompences for the controversy of Zion. Luk 21:22 For these be the days of vengeance, that all things which are written may be fulfilled.
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    It is time to give Pretrib a decent burial

    You’re right my bad.
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    It is time to give Pretrib a decent burial

    You do realize that the Jews missed Jesus because they could see the spiritual things Jesus was taking about… think about it.
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    It is time to give Pretrib a decent burial

    We’ll just keep on listening out for that trumpet. You for some reason can’t see spiritual things.
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    It is time to give Pretrib a decent burial

    The only difference between an Old Testament Christian and a New Testament Christian was the label assigned to the believer, whether they looked toward the cross or back at the cross and would they have direct access to heaven or would they have to go to Abraham’s bosom. In the Old Testament...
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    When was the A.O.D fulfilled?

    Like I said before doctrine come by here a little there a little.
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    It is time to give Pretrib a decent burial

    The first trumpet was the voice of God from Mt Sinai the last trumpet was the voice of God from Mt Sion. The last trumpet is not a literal trumpet. The whole idea of trumpets being the voice of God comes from here: Num 10:2 Make thee two trumpets of silver; of a whole piece shalt thou make...
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    It is time to give Pretrib a decent burial

    No that’s not right. God is the God of the living not the God of the dead. All believers before and after the cross had/have eternal life. Before the cross they left this world and went to Abraham’s bosom, after the cross they went to heaven to be with lord as we do after the cross. Either way...
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    It is time to give Pretrib a decent burial

    Nah, that’s some made up stuff. The Holy Spirit doesn’t go out to harm the earth nor do 4 angels ever represent the Holy Spirit. Revelation 7 and Ezekiel 9 are the exact same stories. Ezk 9:4 And the LORD said unto him, Go through the midst of the city, through the midst of Jerusalem, and...