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Daniel 9:21(NIV) while I was still in prayer, Gabriel, the man I had seen in the earlier vision, came to me in swift flight about the time of the evening sacrifice. The KJV says whom I had seen in the vision at the beginning. It just means the first vision, the words “at the beginning” <8462>...

Where are you getting the idea that the vision has to be experienced by both Daniel and Gabriel? From where are you deriving that rule from? Ok, the temple that starts sacrificing animals isn’t desolate, it is worshipping and praising the one true God. This future temple then only becomes...

Agreed, Daniel recognizes Gabriel just as someone will recognize their pastor when they see him. That recognition doesn’t mean we refer back to the last conversation we had, most likely it will be new conversation. Or the matter was the vision. Jeremiah was given visions, for example in...

Doug, the vision in Daniel 9:21-23 can’t be referring to the Daniel 8 vision. It’s referring to Daniel 9:2, the vision or word of the Lord that came to Jeremiah the prophet, that he would accomplish seventy years in the desolations of Jerusalem. In Daniel 8:14 it says unto 2300 then shall the...

Here’s something to think about or maybe discuss in your group, the days being cut short are almost always assumed to be ending sooner than it should. This isn’t necessarily true. For example, we could say some kind of tribulation will happen at your work for five days but this plan has changed...

Ok, that’s my point, there is no true free will in a future millennium, limited will at best. Thanks for agreeing. Have you ever seen the show Carbonaro Effect or Candid Camera? People being deceived is entertaining. Do people who are on these shows have the free will to prevent the deception...

Right, but that would only be true if there wasn’t free will during the millennium. In the millennium someone could claim that He is in the desert when He isn’t if they have free will. If the only reason deception is happening today (as in claiming He is in the desert) is because Satan is...

So you’re saying nobody will be able to say the phrase “lo, here is Christ, or there” during the millennium? Won’t people be able to say “lo, here is Christ” when they talk about Him on David’s throne in Jerusalem during the millennium, or will there be no free will for people to use those words?

Luke 21:22 has the phrase “that all things written may be fulfilled”. If it means absolutely everything written in the entire Bible, including everything in the New Testament, then there’s a problem. If it means all things written about the times of the Gentiles or the Jews or something like...

In Revelation 21 the first heaven and earth were passed away, then John sees New Jerusalem coming down from heaven. If all things need to be fulfilled (meaning absolutely everything) prior to “this generation” passing away then you have heaven and earth passing away while “this generation”...

I’ve seen you bring this up on another forum, it is very interesting that the coming in 2 Thessalonians 2:8 is almost always associated with Christ’s coming but the surrounding verses indicate it’s the coming of the man of sin.

I don’t want to debate free will here but currently someone who believes in election might say something like everyone has a choice but nobody can choose life when they are dead in sin. In your millennium someone might say there is a choice but nobody can choose sin when they are alive in...

Unless you have the second coming the last day of earth, that means John 3:16 becomes false. It really should say For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that for a limited time only whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life.

I’m not sure what you’re saying, is it that currently people have the free will to choose Christ or not but after the second coming it switches to election? Or are you saying there is no free will at all? Or are you saying there’s some kind of hybrid model where God has to choose a person first...

What I should’ve said to make my point clearer was that Satan is accusing the brethren of their sins in Revelation 12, I didn’t mean to say that he is currently making accusations. Satan isn’t omnipresent, he is either in heaven or he’s not. Making accusations takes time so unless you think...

Yes, the “not all Israel which are of Israel” fell by the edge of the sword and were led away captive into all the nations. True Israel fled into the mountains and were not part of the non-Israel event that some call the diaspora. Jerusalem was trodden down until it was completely destroyed...

I do think the fullness of the Gentiles is the full measure that they were prophesied to perform. The times of the Gentiles ends according to Luke 21:24 in 70AD so I don’t think the fullness of the Gentiles happens outside of the times of the Gentiles. In Romans 11:25 Israel is blind in part...

Right, and if you tell them that if they did accept Jesus right now as their Messiah they will loose out on the old covenant promises, you are never going to convince them. They will weigh the option you are telling them about and reject Jesus. If someone was to explain that the old covenant...

It’s my understanding that the times of the Jews were depicted by who was king. Time was stated for example as the fifth year of king so and so. The times of the Jews ended when they went under the control of Babylon, that’s when the times of the Gentiles started. Time is then depicted by which...

I absolutely agree, none of us knows if we will be alive tomorrow. But if your view is correct then Gentiles have everything to gain by accepting Jesus today, their only alternative is to be not found in the book life and cast into the lake of fire. According too your view the Jews on the...