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Wrong again. My position is every moment we must maintain the humility of acting as one who needs a Lord and Savior. You imply once done, we can sin with impunity - or worse, deny it is possible for us to even sin after being saved, despite the evidence, invoking Ex post facto.

The church? Strawman. He told his disciples To take up carnal weapons.

Why can’t you simply answer yes, it will be a theocracy?

That's precisely what the Crusades did - advance the kingdom of God. There is more than one way to advance the kingdom of God and Scripture is filled with examples of using violence to achieve those ends. See the God commanded Conquest of Canaan. It's a story that you couldn't have missed.

Yea, it's a much better witness for Christians to be wiped from the face of the Earth by those who wield carnal weapons! Seriously, there is hardly a better witness to wield carnal weapons for those who are claiming Christ since that's what Christ told us to do.

Lambano, another great post! You are on fire in this thread. Maslow's hierarchy of needs identifies trust as a human need. But what are we trusting? Is it the next high? The next drink? The next sexual conquest? The next million dollars? Or is the trust in the rock of salvation?

We agree with the part not in red. You are denying human's role in their own salvation. Why else would Paul write at Phil 2:12 work out your own salvation with fear and trembling? And why else is universal salvation not proper doctrine? Because God's mercy has limits and it's not all about his...

When Jesus returns to rule for 1,000 years, will that be a theocracy?

Same here. I'd say it's not that there is overlap as much as people incorrectly use the terms interchangeably. The difference is driven by the equation F = B + A where F = Faith B = Belief A = Action (works) As Scripture says, even demons believe in God. God wants to transform our life to have...

You're even denying the role Scripture places on our burden to have faith in Jesus to receive God's Grace. The power of "yes" is the power of "no," which we retain at every moment with every subsequent choice we make. Do I follow the prompting of the HS in this moment, or do I backslide and...

Yea, just ignore Scripture that goes against your IDOL of OSAS.

I believe this is the heart of the matter. Thank you so much for edifying the point. :tiphat:

Well, now you are trying to have it both ways. OTOH, you claim faith is not an active choice on our part but a gift from God. OTOH, you claim we need to be taught who Jesus is because God's gift DOES require some active choice on our part. Which is it, exactly?

That's nice. This is for you ... "can" you answer the question of what set of words would address the world, if not God so loved the world, he gave his only son?

I accuse you of being in denial of the soulful aspect of our existence, of being overly spiritual, of taking verses in Scripture that address worldly, bodily, soulful, fleshy matters - that we are commanded to address - and turning them into what they are not. Exhibit A. Denying it's not...

Scott, in your rush to oppose my point, I believe you invoked the wrong verse. Mt 7:2 reads, Indeed, you will be judged by the very standards to which you hold other people. I believe you meant to cite John 2:19 Jesus answered them, z“Destroy this temple, and in three days aI will raise it...

He'll be unanimously voted Teacher of the Month this month by the woke union in California. :confused

Funny to see the over-spiritualized pacifists shift their attack on doing what is necessary regarding the use of force. 1st, they falsely say it goes against Christian principles. Now after 73 pages they say using violence does not achieve the ends sought. The rationale is analogous to give up...

The things one reads on the internet. It goes to show battles go on, long after the contestants stop fighting. Other's still debate the War of Northern Aggression. These days, it seems only wars against Hitler are socially acceptable as being righteous. OTOH, of course the Crusades stopped...

Scott, here is where you fall off the over-spiritualized deep end. "Can" is potential. You should humbly admit that "God so loved the world that He gave His only begotten Son" CAN BE looked at as the "suggestion" you deny that Scripture states the world is what it's all about, the real priority...