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  1. Harvest 1874

    Earth, Created to stand forever

    What did you do, rip out a few pages from the bible that disagree with your interpretations, chuckle,chuckle? “There are also celestial bodies and terrestrial bodies; but the glory of the celestial is one, and the glory of the terrestrial is another. There is one glory of the sun, another glory...
  2. Harvest 1874

    Earth, Created to stand forever

    With this thought we must disagree, As is per the usual with most beliefs the pendulum tends to swing a bit too far one way or another, as there are those who advocate an actual visible appearance of our returned Lord, whether in spirit or in flesh so too there are those of the other extreme...
  3. Harvest 1874

    Earth, Created to stand forever

    It's true everyone experiences tribulations (trouble) in their life, but what's being referred to here is the "great tribulation" spoken of by both our Lord and the Prophet Daniel. When this tribulation breaks forth believe you everyone will receive it at the same time, because it will be a...
  4. Harvest 1874

    Earth, Created to stand forever

    There are three stages involved in our Lord's Second Advent; the first stage naturally is his thief-like invisible return, his parousia (or presence), for a time only those awake and watching for the signs of His presence will be aware of it. (Rev 16:15) the other two stages are merely further...
  5. Harvest 1874

    Earth, Created to stand forever

    You mean to say the scriptures according to YOUR interpretation prove our claims false. As for your insistence that the text found in Rev 1:7 is literal, well then lets assume it were literal rather than symbolic as we suggest, how then if the Lord should return as you claim visibly shall every...
  6. Harvest 1874

    The thief on the cross !?

    Your research is only half right, the Bible Student movement did stem from Pastor Russell (as well as a few other contemporaries of the time), but NOT from the Jehovah's Witnesses. Bible Students were around long before the JW's emerged, the Jehovah's Witness movement stems from the teachings of...
  7. Harvest 1874

    The Great Day of Atonement, Part 10

    Our journey began in the ‘camp’ condition, even as it has been with all men that being with the exception of the Man Christ Jesus who alone was brought into this world, perfect and without sin. The ‘camp’, represents the state of all mankind, presently sinners all in need of atonement...
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  8. Harvest 1874

    The Great Day of Atonement, Part 9

    “Then he shall kill the goat of the sin-offering, which is for the people, bring its blood inside the veil, and do with that blood as he did with the blood of the bull, and sprinkle it on the mercy seat and before the mercy seat.” (Lev 16:15) “Both of these animals [the bull and the goat]...
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    The Great Day of Atonement, Part 8

    “He (Aaron) shall take some of the blood of the bull and sprinkle it with his finger on the mercy seat on the east side; and before the mercy seat he shall sprinkle some blood with his finger seven times.” (Lev 16:14) “And it was only a few days thereafter that he ascended on high and...
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    The Great Day of Atonement, Part 7

    All the trials and difficulties which the Master underwent in laying down of his life preceded him as a sweet incense, a precious perfume, beyond the veil, into the Most Holy, as shown in the type.” (R 5712) Many students of God’s Word have erroneously assumed that the Apostle’s statement found...
  11. Harvest 1874

    Earth, Created to stand forever

    Sorry but this text taken from Revelation is highly symbolic and it is evident that you are misinterpreting it.
  12. Harvest 1874

    The thief on the cross !?

    It was not meant as a insult my friend if you received it as such, my apologies. We are much more alike than you can imagine I am a Bible Student (what many Jehovah's Witnesses refer to as the "evil slave class"), so we're accustom to similar remarks (persecutions as you like to call them)...
  13. Harvest 1874

    The thief on the cross !?

    In respects to Mr. Slick we disagree, We have no definite information respecting the fallen angels, except where the Apostle says, "Know ye not that ye shall judge angels?" This word "judge" as used in the Scriptures represents a trial. The inference, then, is that if they are to have a further...
  14. Harvest 1874

    The thief on the cross !?

    Its OK my brother no harm, I understand a quick reply does not suffice for evidence of our position thus I will attempt to explain in a forthcoming post.
  15. Harvest 1874

    Earth, Created to stand forever

    That is basically what we were implying, nor were we in any way inferring that the church this side of the vail can physically see him either, their perception of his Greek: parousia (presence) is likewise through the eyes of their understanding, being enlightened through the scriptures. The...
  16. Harvest 1874

    Earth, Created to stand forever

    The resurrected saints are spirit beings, can you see spirit beings? If you can then you must be off your meds again.
  17. Harvest 1874

    The thief on the cross !?

    Now you're starting to sound like a Jehovah's Witness as they don't believe Adam will be saved either, unfortunately this is not so, if Adam is not saved then neither are you, I or the rest of mankind. As for the fallen spirits they don't require a Savior as does mankind because they were not...
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    The thief on the cross !?

    First of all I don't know of any Universalist who believe that all the fallen spirits are to be saved. Universalist only believe that God will save all mankind. Secondly, we did not suggest that all the fallen spirits might be shown mercy, we said such as have realized their error and repented...
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    Earth, Created to stand forever

    Actually it is, if you take the time to thoroughly examine the facts.
  20. Harvest 1874

    Earth, Created to stand forever

    You have the right idea my friend, though we would say the world will see him (not by physical sight, but by the eyes of their understanding) when the judgements are in the earth, that is when the great time of trouble erupts and the present order of things is being dissolved before their eyes.
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