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We need "ears to hear", don't we....?

Agree there are false brethren, tares among the wheat, because they never came to faith by the Spirit in the first place....but also I believe there are some who prove themselves unworthy of the calling they did receive and for them it is "as if" they never were of us, and "as if" God never knew...

At the very least I hear a message of needing to be in humility and holy fear, not to be complacent and taking things for granted. Take heed who thinks he stands, lest he fall. Be not high-minded but fear...lest you too be cut off. Work out our OWN salvation, with fear and trembling.

Only in a manner of speaking and speaking in spirit. I think from God's point of view it's only "as though" He never knew them and that they were "never of us", if they don't prove faithful and true to the end, since He already foreknew their end from their beginning. Hard to explain, hard to...

Well to start with watch and pray, brother, as that scripture is saying. And all the other teachings and admonitions in the bible. Make our calling and election sure, endure to the end, he who overcomes, etc. We can never be worthy in our own right, but it is in order to be...

I know brother....it's hard to watch folks trying to make the bible say things it isn't saying in order to support an erroneous doctrine. But I love these brothers in the Lord and have no doubt that they belong to Him. I hate arguing about OSAS. It's hard to reconcile what seem like...

From heaven's point of view, I agree. Like the Lamb was slain from the foundation of the world.....though it didn't happen in the realm of time until the first century. Bible says we are foreknown by God. These things are hard to grasp though....hard to fathom how the Lord sees things outside...

Luk 20:35 But they which shall be accounted worthy to obtain that world, and the resurrection from the dead, neither marry, nor are given in marriage Luk 20:45 Then in the audience of all the people he said unto his disciples, Luk 21:34-36 And take heed to yourselves, lest at any time...

Good point...makes sense to me. If they are called brethren in Christ to the one who hypothetically "murders" them (figuratively or literally) then the one who "murders" must be a brother/sister in Christ. Christians can err. It is possible to backslide or fall away. As we have the example...

Brother, my fear is of the Lord. And I believe He is worthy to be feared because He is a great King who has the power of life and death in His hands. I think when we start to take notice of things in the bible like the fear the Lord and things that warn of consequences, etc, then we are...

I have all hope and faith that God is ABLE to perform that which He promised. But on the other hand I am not taking for granted that I will be accounted worthy. We are to work out our salvation....with fear and trembling. And pray to be accounted worthy.

Missed the point again. The point is that Romans 4 is clearly talking about Christians. Although I suspect you are just ignoring the point and are deflecting with these posts because you have no way to rebut the point which is quite obvious to an impartial reader.

Missing the point I see. And you're adding things in that the scriptures are not saying. The point is that Romans 3 is the context for Romans 4....it's all speaking to and about Christians.

Alright then, so while we're still waiting for Episkopos to address Romans 3........since he has already given us his take on Romans 4, think I'll just post this from Romans 4 which by itself clearly disproves his assertion that this chapter isn't about Christian believers: Rom 4:13-24 For the...

Just be careful sis.......the devil likes to dangle some truth in front of us as bait to lure us into his maze of untruths. https://www.shutterstock.com/image-illustration/this-deep-sea-angler-such-fish-1654317238

Soooo.....I guess this means you don't intend to address Romans 3 at all. (You do know that God didn't put in those chapter numbers I hope.)

Certainly do agree we need to die to self and self-interest and selfishness and pride etc.......my flesh is never justified. But you don't need to wrest scripture and become a heretic to glean those truths.

Yes, and I'm talking about that some of that continuity, which you are ignoring. Did you even read Romans 3? Sheesh. I just cant listen to your preposterous and heretical nonsense any more.

I went back and re-read your eventual reply to me on the Judgment Day thread about Romans 4. Hmmm, oh so THAT is the point you were making with regard to Romans 4, that is it not about Christians! No wonder I was confused. I had responded to it though and tried to address some individual...

Oh look another long written comment that is all about justifying yourself. I'm so surprised. And nothing to edify. It's a waste of time trying to engage with you Epi. You just keep enjoying your high horse, I guess.