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Yes, and all these men were Amil. LOL. Your argument just went up in smoke.

These are all talking about a final antichrist-inspired departure from the faith before the coming of Christ. None of them apply this to the rapture of the Church. That is a Pretrib invention. That is a fallacy.

Who cares what Tommy Ice says. His arguments have been repeatedly exposed. His theology is messed up. This is surely a sign you have lost the debate. Let the Bible speak for itself rather than forcing your error upon it.

You are so full of yourself. Get off you high Pharisaic seat before you fall off. Pride cometh before a fall.

I clarified my argument a bit better in Point 2. There is no ushering the Church into heaven in 1 Thessalonians 4:14-5:9. There is no tribulation period in-between “the coming of the Lord” (and the catching away of the saints) and “the day of the Lord” (and the sudden destruction of the...

Instead of repeating what you have been taught over the years, how about showing us clear water-tight Scripture that teaches what you claim? Where does Romans 9-11 mention the return of Israel to her ancient borders? Where does it mention the land? Where in Daniel 9 does it even mention a...

You are seeing double every time! This is the same event! There is no ushering the Church into heaven in 1 Thessalonians 4:14-5:9. There is no tribulation period in-between “the coming of the Lord” (and the catching away of the saints) and “the day of the Lord” (and the sudden destruction of...

Talk about adding onto Scripture. Talk about butchering the sacred text. That is all you presented here. None of it is in context. None of it mentions the Church. None of it shows a rapture of the Church. None of it shows a seven year tribulation. None of it shows a third coming. Thanks for...

No, you avoided it in #857. The reader can see for themselves. That is because it is a made-up doctrine. It enjoys no biblical basis. This does not stop to basing your end-time views on this imagination in your head. It is telling that that is the gist of your speculations. If you had...

Says who? You? It seems like you think if you state a thing that makes it so. That is not the way it works. Where does it teach this in the Bible? Show us one Scripture that teaches that "the feasts of God are a picture of the end times"? Where is "the barley harvest" mentioned in the NT...

Calm down and take time out. The old adage is true: when you cannot attack the message, you attack the messenger.

God did that. The Messiah came to Israel. They nailed Him to a tree. True Israel accepted Him. We have been joined to them. That has been fulfilled.

They have been fulfilled. Are you able to exegete them?

What are you saying is in the future in regard to what you are claiming?

Oh. That is called manipulating Scripture to support your error. You could literally make it say what you want. I see!

What is your point? What is future?

If this is all in historic order of events, then why is Yom Kippur (the day of Atonement) after Pentecost?

That covenant was made 2000 years ago. All who have had eyes to see and ears to hear (both Jews and Gentiles) have entered it. All the rest (both Jews and Gentiles) are of their father the devil are in hell today.

The Israeli theocratic tree has been cursed forever. We are now under the new covenant where there is no racial preference. We will never go back to the old arrangement. It is time to leave the old covenant behind you. Judaism today is apostate. It rejects Christ - man's only Savior and...

No, He expanded true believing Judaism to embrace all nations. Now will you address my detailed post?