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I see you include yourself when you use the word 'most' however, you do not speak for me.

Can't access those attachments you posted Bl. Any chance of making them accessible?

gobbledy gook.....you quote out of context and then have the front to claim that your statements are sound doctrine.

the context of Paul's presentation in Romans 5:12-21 says it all

Reality does not revolve around you and you conclusions tf God did something in Jesus a couple of thousand years before you were born. All humanity is in Christ. You can't step in, you can only step out by dismissing what has been given you freely before you were born. You do this by inventing a...

Did you read Romans 5:12-21? ...vs 17, look at it and then ask questions. I read the NKJV but any version will be fine....do a comparison. Spoon feeding makes for immaturity.....you need to use the tools yourself and put your thinking cap on ....then we can converse and go places.

I s'pose it extends as far as what you will allow?

The context is 'in Adam'.....read up to verse 21....it clarifies it.

rubbish!

Romans 5:12

denying the obvious sets one up to swallow any clever operators spin.

Is Reincarnation baloney? you betcha!.........of the highest order!

Adam didn't exist prior to be created Jack. Life was given him and it would be forfeited if he ate of the forbidden fruit. That is what God told him plainly. It was the serpent who spun the lie that they would not die but become as God. 'Die', even for a numbo means you no longer are alive.

Out of interest Jack, 'punishment' is reference to the lack of life as opposed to life everlasting. These are the two polar opposites. The scripture is not referencing eternal life in conscious torment and eternal life in relational joy. ....and just to reiterate, the poles are Life & and no...

Good on you my dear....I'm gunning for you!

why not? ...lol, no, just kidding! :) however, I'm sure you have the credibility to get my drift?

I can't for the life of me figure out why 'Christians' are so naive. They are meant to be on top of the game; sharp, insightful and present. Are you not aware that my post about peeing 6 times a day was setting you up. Why did I do this? because of your cock sure posts.......spruiking off like...

Im still trying to figure out why I pee 6 times a day. Is it that God is creative or am I reading the wrong bible? :rolleyes:

goodness gracious me, we are so tight fisted, unimaginative and ungracious!

I s'pose you mean like running off with sqaws or smoking the peace pipe :eek: