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Re answering my question...you have been intellectually dishonest in this case. Jesus death accomplishes the revelation of God’s Character in an unprecedented way.

....and gather twice as much on the sixth day!

Jesus’ reality offered himself to God all the way to dying. He never failed....he endured the limitations he was willingly subjected to... he overcame. Think in terms of his life that he gave as opposed to thinking of his death that he gave (gave in the sense of appeasement) His death was a...

I asked in a previous post Tong, if your angle is that if an angry God needing to be appeased....you avoided the question. It appears however from your first statement here, this is the route you prefer to take... is this not correct? To the second part and your question; Jesus’ allowing...

How can you possibly know that you are one of the chosen with this view? Every religious nut deems themselves selected and feels at liberty to be certain as to who isn’t. The scripture you quoted is true but how one hears them is contingent to ones paradigm.

Who is going to do your laundry?

‘Given over’ means left to their choices. It does not mean God has rejected them. We (humans) reject people when they don’t dance to our tune and dare we superimpose our deficit onto God?

Harmless and undefined, without spot or blemish....being the light of the world; in him is no darkness at all.

He offered himself to humanity....free to us, full of risk to himself.

Your question assumes the word ‘sacrifice’ fits a particular paradigm namely, that of appeasing the Deity. Isn’t this correct?

To limit himself to a human body for eternity is a sacrifice few can grasp. The very nature of love is to be vulnerable; taking a human body subject to the same weakness we have is a risk, a risk unfathomable for us. The risk involved the universe and eternity. If Jesus did not succeed...

Yeah Addy, it makes the point well.

what will you achieve if I tell you one way or the other?

Oh kcnalp, I hardly want to rub your nose in it. Give post #35 some thought.

Any person who speaks a second language would understand the challenge in conveying meaning by word for word translation. In many cases translating word for word would render the text a garble and subsequently requires adjustments to make it reasonably readable.....and of course the intent is...

That Jesus died for all men is no myth. How you understand it might be a myth and to confuse the two plays the devil’s cards

I don’t think it’s necessary to make it a mystery or complicated. The context tells us it’s Jesus coming in the clouds of heaven. The language used is how the Hebrews thought, eg; the shepherds on Bethlehem’s hill were told the sign for them will be a baby in a donkey’s feed box etc. ...

Lack of insight assumes I’m trashing English bibles!

Qualifications are meaningless to those who don’t understand.

...and that’s only in English. Now you can start a Chinese collection of the scriptures and when you’ve gone thru those you can check out the the African languages, do you then think you’ll have it down pat?