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John said they were never of us People can turn away having never come to true saving faith. But people who have been born of God do not turn away and not believe. Not to mention.That is saying God is not very smart. he saved people and sealed them with the spirit KNOWING they would walk away...

Yes, If I want to mature as a child of God. I need to pick up my cross daily Thats called christian growth Its not earning your salvation.. you were saved the moment you became like the tax collector (if you did)

You must not have very much faith if at all then. If you really trust you were condemned, and headed to outer darkness, and really trusted that the cross saved you the thought of walking away would never even cross your mind unless you never really had faith. But just tried christianity out...

So Jesus did not say it is finished? Yes, Like those in james, they believed like demons, but they had no faith.. You do not leave people you trust. Sorry, I should have been more clear.. I figured you would understand eph 2: 8 - 9 is beginning in the spirit. that's how we are saved by faith...

Thats trying to earn your salvation. Why did God call it is gift if it can be earned, for that matter, why did he die on the cross if yuo could earn it?

Give it up? that was not the point the point is THEY NEVER BELIEVED.. They just came along for the ride. but never really trusted, Their hearts were back in Egypt

yes, a person who CLAIMS they have faith, but has absolutely zero works. is deceived into saying they have faith, when they do not But Paul said if anyone is found by works, they have something to boast. But not before God.. Paul and james did nto contradict each other

Why would a person not continue?

the term harden means to strengthen, when a persons heart is hardened, it means it is strengthened to continue to believe what they believe (or do not believe)

Yes, thats why he made the statement he did

why would you Hod could Gods salvation became so untrustowrthy you would renounce your faith?

Actually, to say one can is to Call Paul and God a liar we are sealed UNTIL redemption day (ressurection) It does not say unless we turn away. It says until If our seal can be broken, God lied.

We can't turn from God and give up what he paid for, Its his to give, And he promised he would never take it back ERternal security is real. You may not believe in the calvinist view of once saved always saved, But it is real..

They also have Gods promise they will never perish, but have eternal life (live forever) and have passed from judgment to life..

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John said they were never of us.. Lets trust John, and not our flesh

No. Salvation started and ends at the cross. Jesus did not say I did my part now you do your. He said it is finished, Why do you not believe him? In other words. You want everyone to be fools. Having begun in the spirit (eph 2: 8-9) and perfect or complete it in the flesh. See I told you...

Keep telling yourself that. So if you do not do this in the flesh (of your own power) your not saved. So you are telling people to do that

For by grace we have been saved. Not of works I feel sorry for those who continue to think it is by works we must be saved