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  1. Wrangler

    John 1:1 - Jesus is the Father or he's not the one true God?

    Copy and pasting is not an argument or a discussion. Dude! You are all over the place. This thread is about how Jesus said he has a God who is the only true God. (A consequence of that is if Jesus is not the Father, he is not God). You cannot acknowledge this. So, you feel obligated to sweep...
  2. Wrangler

    John 1:1 - Jesus is the Father or he's not the one true God?

    The 1C is not you shall have no other devils besides Lucifer.
  3. Wrangler

    John 1:1 - Jesus is the Father or he's not the one true God?

    Amazing how you contradiction yourself from one sentence to the other. All angles and prophets speak on behalf of God, the word angel mean messenger. Isaiah said he is the 1st and last but that does not make him God.
  4. Wrangler

    John 1:1 - Jesus is the Father or he's not the one true God?

    Change in subject. Jesus says he has a God who is the only true God. Why is that not good enough for you?
  5. Wrangler

    John 1:1 - Jesus is the Father or he's not the one true God?

    No, not really. He may have many titles but only one name - and it is not Jesus.
  6. Wrangler

    John 1:1 - Jesus is the Father or he's not the one true God?

    In other words, you cannot admit there is no Scripture verse that actually says The Angel of The Lord is the same as God. It's the whole reason you have to defer to a website.
  7. Wrangler

    John 1:1 - Jesus is the Father or he's not the one true God?

    Still, an angel. The Angel of the Lord is a specific angel. My question was Can you at least admit that there is no Scripture verse that actually says The Angel of The Lord is the same as God? I guess the answer is no.
  8. Wrangler

    John 8:24, 28, 58 - Jesus Christ IS YHWH

    Pasting Scripture must be your way of sweeping the Scripture I referenced aside, denying Scripture that goes against your doctrine. Is it true that Scripture explicitly says that no one has seen God or not? A Biblical fact that is little advertised by trinitarians is that Jesus explicitly...
  9. Wrangler

    John 1:1 - Jesus is the Father or he's not the one true God?

    To fit your doctrine, it has to be the case but god and angels are not the same form of life. Can you at least admit that there is no Scripture verse that actually says The Angel of The Lord is the same as God? It's so odd to suppose God sometimes goes by the name God and sometimes by the name...
  10. Wrangler

    John 8:24, 28, 58 - Jesus Christ IS YHWH

    It's obvious what you suppose; mysticism. You suppose it regularly. That is why I worded my post the way I did, you suppose you are right DESPITE the lack of an explicit Scripture teaching it. Therefore, you foolishly suppose error (your error) can be true and (suppose) it is true while ALSO not...
  11. Wrangler

    John 1:1 - Jesus is the Father or he's not the one true God?

    Even by your own admission, you are saying that Beings other than God were worshipped.
  12. Wrangler

    John 1:1 - Jesus is the Father or he's not the one true God?

    That's your doctrine speaking - independent of any Scripture supporting it! A is A. Angels are angels. Angels are not non-angels. What angels are there besides 'of the lord?'
  13. Wrangler

    John 1:1 - Jesus is the Father or he's not the one true God?

    There you go again! The question is, Who is the authority; 'people' or Scripture?
  14. Wrangler

    Count The Cost

    How is very individualized. I meet people where they are and the conversation begins. For instance, recently I struck up a conversation with a coworker. He looked tired and I expressed concern, sympathy, compassion. This is HOW it begins. He opened up, letting me into his world. Feeling my...
  15. Wrangler

    John 1:1 - Jesus is the Father or he's not the one true God?

    OK, RLT63. Let's break this down. Who is the authority; 'people' or Scripture? Simple question. Please answer it. This is what trinitarians do. Rather than answer a simple question, they blast many Scripture verses pretending any of the them support their doctrine but not one does. And...
  16. Wrangler

    John 1:1 - Jesus is the Father or he's not the one true God?

    In other words, you cannot answer my question. Do you realize that others in Scripture were worshipped besides the one true God? Total red herring.
  17. Wrangler

    "The word was a god"?

    A Biblical fact that is little advertised by trinitarians is that Jesus explicitly stated he has a God himself (John 20:17, Mark 15:33) who is the only true God (John 17:3). What does this mean for other gods, like the trinitarian god? The most anti-trinitarian book in the whole Bible, John...
  18. Wrangler

    John 1:1 - Jesus is the Father or he's not the one true God?

    Who is the authority; 'people' or Scripture? Jesus does not teach the trinity. He does not teach us to pray to a trinitarian god but to a singular Being, who we relate to as Father. Jesus told us God is in heaven, while Jesus was on Earth. Not the same.
  19. Wrangler

    "The word was a god"?

    I use an anvil to do my work. Although an anvil is the agent through which my work is done, it is not me. Agents are not their patrons. No comment on the notion of Agency, huh? All things were created by God, not Jesus. See GE 1.
  20. Wrangler

    John 1:1 - Jesus is the Father or he's not the one true God?

    And you take this to deny the trinity? Since they are one, that makes 2 that are 1, which a trinity does not make. Or do you take this as another way to deny the trinity, to literally mean 2 Beings are 1 Being? By the same token, 1 Corinthians 2:16 makes us Christ since we have his mind, and...