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  1. Spiritual Israelite

    The Galilean wedding is the model for the pre-trib rapture

    I have read those chapters many times. I did respond about Daniel 9-12 already in another post, but maybe you haven't seen it yet. I don't see that as one long prophecy as you apparently do. I believe the text is mostly literal in those chapters, but I, like most, don't see the 70 weeks as...
  2. Spiritual Israelite

    The Galilean wedding is the model for the pre-trib rapture

    Neither of us believe that God would allow His people to go through His wrath. You understand that, right? Let's get beyond that. Hmmm. You have it in your notes. Have you ever studied it for yourself like the Bereans (Acts 17:10-11) to see if what you were taught about it is true? Why can't...
  3. Spiritual Israelite

    Why are some interpreters not being honest with the text involving Daniel 9:27?

    So, you acknowledge that Jesus's death occurred after (you say right after or very shortly after, but still after) the 69th week (the first 483 years) ended, right? Which means you don't put His death at the very end of the 69th week? If so, then why do you not place His death within the 70th...
  4. Spiritual Israelite

    Why are some interpreters not being honest with the text involving Daniel 9:27?

    What he explained there is not how he said it the last time we talked about, so I was not in error in terms of how he used to explain it, which gave the impression that he believed Jesus's death happened at the very end of the 69th week, rather than after it ended. Maybe he changed his view...
  5. Spiritual Israelite

    The Prophetic Timeline: Why Jesuit Futurists/Jesuit Preterists Ignore It

    That's a loaded question. The first thing to understand about the beast is that it existed even before John wrote the book of Revelation. Revelation 17:8 The beast that thou sawest was, and is not; and shall ascend out of the bottomless pit, and go into perdition: and they that dwell on the...
  6. Spiritual Israelite

    Blind Guides and Deluded Followers

    Yes, I do. And I know that you don't have a clue as to what Matthew 22:1-14 is about. Proverbs 14:12 is talking about an unsaved person. A person who doesn't belong to God. Do you somehow not know that or are you saying that you think I'm not saved?
  7. Spiritual Israelite

    Blind Guides and Deluded Followers

    I thought you said you agreed with me when I said the parable is about how the gospel first went out to the Jews before then going out to the Gentiles as the book of Acts describes? Apparently not. I couldn't possibly disagree more with you on this. But, it's time to agree to disagree. It's...
  8. Spiritual Israelite

    The Galilean wedding is the model for the pre-trib rapture

    You and I are not fully understanding each other, either, but you're still talking to me. Anyway, you do what you want. I'm not saying any more about this. Here is where we differ which I guess neither of us have made clear before now. My understanding of the tribulation period is that it's a...
  9. Spiritual Israelite

    The Galilean wedding is the model for the pre-trib rapture

    There is only one and that is obvious. Why would there be more than one? It makes no sense. I believe Jesus is efficient. He will have all of His people from all-time gathered to Him all at once.
  10. Spiritual Israelite

    The Galilean wedding is the model for the pre-trib rapture

    If you define the trib as the final wrath of God that burns up the entire earth on the day Christ returns, which is what I believe the passage I reference entails (1 Thess 5:2-3 - see 2 Peter 3:10-12 for more detail) then I suppose you could call me a pretribber. But, is that your understanding...
  11. Spiritual Israelite

    The Galilean wedding is the model for the pre-trib rapture

    When did I say that? What did I say to make you think that? I'm pretty sure I never did since I don't believe that. I have pointed out many times (not to you directly, but overall) that I believe Matthew 24:29-31 (and Mark 13:24-27) refer to the rapture (gathering of the elect = rapture) and...
  12. Spiritual Israelite

    The Galilean wedding is the model for the pre-trib rapture

    Keeping in mind that I was referencing 2 Peter 3:10-12, what exactly is it that you're saying the Lord wouldn't do? I'm sorry, but you are sometimes hard to follow (I know you think the same of me...oh well). Please be more specific as to what exactly you are talking about here. How do you...
  13. Spiritual Israelite

    The Galilean wedding is the model for the pre-trib rapture

    Where did I say that His bride will experience God's wrath that is poured out upon the earth? I didn't. That isn't what I believe. So, why are you asking me this? Again, where did I say that His bride would be subjected to God's wrath? I didn't. I was referring to this passage: 1 Thessalonians...
  14. Spiritual Israelite

    The Galilean wedding is the model for the pre-trib rapture

    LOL. It doesn't, but also doesn't say that it is. And it doesn't say that one of the crowns that the elders are wearing is the crown of life. Can you see here that your view is based on speculation rather than clear scripture? What clear scripture do you have to support your doctrine? It seems...
  15. Spiritual Israelite

    The Galilean wedding is the model for the pre-trib rapture

    It depends on the prophecy. No one reads all prophecy as literal or all as allegorical. It's clear to me that a prophecy like what Paul wrote in 1 Thessalonians 4:14-17 is meant to be taken literally while a prophecy about a seven-headed, ten-horned beast is not. Understand what I'm saying? I...
  16. Spiritual Israelite

    The Galilean wedding is the model for the pre-trib rapture

    Questions like "do you believe in prophecy"? How can you seriously think that anyone here on this Christian end times forum doesn't believe in prophecy. How can you think that is not an insulting question to ask anyone here? I just don't get it. But, at the same time I have no desire to keep...
  17. Spiritual Israelite

    The Galilean wedding is the model for the pre-trib rapture

    It's not confusing to me at all (talking about 2 Peter 3:10-13 here). Why is it confusing to you? Do you look at it objectively or do you bring doctrinal bias and assumptions into it before you study it? When does the day of the Lord that comes like a thief in the night happen? On the day that...
  18. Spiritual Israelite

    The Galilean wedding is the model for the pre-trib rapture

    Wow. That is not what I said at all. Please slow down and read what I say more carefully. I very specifically said "it's one event and not two events with one before the tribulation and one after.". I said "it's one event and not two events (one before and one after the tribulation)", so how...
  19. Spiritual Israelite

    The Galilean wedding is the model for the pre-trib rapture

    This is not what Paul was saying. You need to learn to look at context. 1 Thessalonians 5:1 But of the times and the seasons, brethren, ye have no need that I write unto you. 2 For yourselves know perfectly that the day of the Lord so cometh as a thief in the night. 3 For when they shall say...
  20. Spiritual Israelite

    The Galilean wedding is the model for the pre-trib rapture

    You just say a bunch of things without really thinking about it or doing any research. Do you expect to be taken seriously when that is the case? Did you bother looking to see what the word "rise" means in this verse: 1 Thessalonians 4:16 For the Lord himself shall descend from heaven with a...