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  1. Wrangler

    Once Saved Always Saved

    I think you and Ferris are not communicating as he can used ‘saved’ to mean past tense - but must remain actively doing God’s will - while you do not use the term to allow for that. In today’s Devotional Reading I came Luke 13:5 and thought of this discussion. Do you suppose our Lord meant...
  2. Wrangler

    What did you plan to be when you were young vs. what you turned out to be?

    I wanted to be a scientist ... ... got 2 science degrees and became a development engineer.
  3. Wrangler

    Who is Jesus Christ?

    That’s not what I asked. If he’s a man and pre-exists, then all men must also pre-exist. Just because we do not have more references does not affect the logic involved. Do all men pre-exist before taking human form? Suppose they do. And further suppose, Jesus being the first born of all...
  4. Wrangler

    Who is Jesus Christ?

    Supposition on top of supposition. Even if he pre-existed, it most certainly does not mean he is God incarnate. Jesus is explicitly said to be a man - over and over again. Begotten like us all. Do all men pre-exist before taking human form?
  5. Wrangler

    Who is Jesus Christ?

    That applies to all of us. We are all made in the image of God.
  6. Wrangler

    Who is Jesus Christ?

    I’ve heard the dogma but no verse in Scripture actually contains this dogma. Many verse say Jesus is a man; no verse says he is God. This is just part of dualism.
  7. Wrangler

    Who is Jesus Christ?

    Like all of us men and women, non-existing, unbegotten. Why do you ask?
  8. Wrangler

    Once Saved Always Saved

    Never heard of estranged family members? Although related, you don’t have an actual healthy functioning relationship. See the difference?
  9. Wrangler

    1st The Law

    Without the law, people’s ego would conclude they don’t need Jesus. One of my favorite verses is the CEV translation of Psalm 82:1 When all of the other gods have come together, the LORD God judges A major theme in the Bible is people thinking themselves a god, not beholden to the...
  10. Wrangler

    Who is Jesus Christ?

    What verse is that; the Shema? (BTW, I recently read the word 'Jehovah' is a medieval invention, not a transliteration or translation of Scripture). In any event, one is no kind of 3; 3 is no kind of one. I remind trinitarians that the Shema would have been an excellent time for God to announce...
  11. Wrangler

    Who is Jesus Christ?

    It's only due to dualism that the matter is not settled there. Mutual exclusivity does not apply to trinitarians. A person can be in and out at the same time. While admitting there is one God, man is not God and Person A is man, they also conclude Person A is 'also God.' It is inherently...
  12. Wrangler

    Once Saved Always Saved

    That's totally wrong. You are failing to discern the faithfulness of God from our holding to our faith. It's so odd that somebody who dedicated decades of their life advancing the Kingdom is deemed by you as NEVER having faith if they turn from the faith. This Circular Reasoning denies...
  13. Wrangler

    Once Saved Always Saved

    What verse says that?
  14. Wrangler

    Why The Apostles Repeatedly Disobeyed the Risen Lord

    I already provided the text. No. I'm saying that preserved truth was corrupted in the documentation I already provided.
  15. Wrangler

    Why The Apostles Repeatedly Disobeyed the Risen Lord

    There will be no effect because trinitarianism (mysticism and dualism) is so engrained, no presentation of facts or logic will alter their commitment to this 4th century man-made idol. Brother Kel, who makes Youtube videos, put it this way. Even if God, Himself, came down from the heavens and...
  16. Wrangler

    Once Saved Always Saved

    Circular Reasoning. Undefeated sport teams cannot lose?
  17. Wrangler

    Who is Jesus Christ?

    No. Figurative. Beings are not words.
  18. Wrangler

    Once Saved Always Saved

    Because God gave us liberty along with life. That’s why we are the elect.
  19. Wrangler

    Once Saved Always Saved

    Circular Reasoning. No matter how many times you say it, it does not make it true.