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(Letsgofishing;39314) No not end of thread the only problem I have with Kent is that all his sources come from new earth authors. If he could get evidence from a neutral source than that would be great.So no Honvid isn't enough to convince me, but the bible is. So, let me get this straight. The...

(Wakka;39279) Innocent until proven guilty. Yes. And he's been proven guilty. I'm glad the matter is settled. He's a liar and a felon. End of thread.

(Wakka;39195) Well there have been a lot of people against him who would makeup just about any lie to get him into prison. Prove it. When and why did he file for bankruptcy? He didn't. Read the article I linked to. That was his whole problem. What kind of threats did he do against federal...

(Dukester;39164) Duke of Vandals,Why must you make fun of the bible? *sigh*I wasn't making fun of the bible. I was making fun of the "English" used by the person who made the initial post. It sounded like kitteh pidgin.

(Beano;39149) Infact Duke dosn't he command much of your attention. Funny how you spend so much time devoting yourself to a person you say dosn't exist lol I devote considerably more time to Superman and Spider Jerusalem. Isn't it odd how every body has the name of Jesus on their lips. from...

On a final note.... Wakka, your ability to copy and paste off-topic information is nothing short of staggeringly dishonest. This thread is about the existence (or lack there of) of the historical Jesus. Not radiocarbon dating. Not the existence of god. Nor any of the things you spent more than...

(Denver;38647) With all due respect (and frankly it's not that much right now because the people on this forum are blind like you so desperately want to think), these are some of the worst analogies I have ever heard someone give to refute Christ.You cannot show me George Washington anymore than...

(kriss;38628) Your scenrio is in error we are told by men that George Washington existed we might even find quotes he made but we have no proof outside of what was written in history. Why is Jesus different. For the simple reason that Jesus is attributed things that are overtly impossible and...

(Wakka;38740) How is he a liar? From wiki: Kent Hovind had been charged with falsely declaring bankruptcy, making threats against federal officials, filing false complaints, failing to get necessary building permits, and various tax-related charges. He was convicted of federal tax offenses and...

(Grape;38100) God is omnipotent. Assuming he exists, sure. Why did he have to send his son (who somehow was himself) to the earth to be crucified? This is a little like asking "Well, why did Superman have to save Metropolis all those times?" You're looking into part of the fiction to explain...

(kalixx;38575) Not specifically, only that you have an alternative agenda here than simply wanting to be convinced. Woah, woah. Where did you get that from? Addressing the bible and it's claims honestly in an historical context means I have an agenda? Explain that one to me.

(thesuperjag;38566) Like I said... Please read carefully. We're not debating "finding god" or anything so esoteric. Let me word this another way. Pretend that you and I have a time machine that can take us to any place at any time. We both get in the time machine and program in "the moment when...

All of this, by the way, is terribly off-topic. You guys are supposed to be convincing me that there really was a gospel Jesus. Please focus.

(kalixx;38540) I kind of guessed this was coming. Really? You guessed that I wanted to talk about how the NT was meant to "re-judify" Judea in the seventh decade of the first century? Fascinating.

(kentots;38526) If you want logic, here we go. Which is better to believe, that the world just came about from nothing, or that God was and always has been here and made the world. We know how the world was created. What we don't know is how the universe came into existence. Scientific data...

(Wayne Murray;38432) The rhetoric of fallacy and deception is spiritually blind and can only think carnally. It is so sad. Another post reported. Again, please participate in the thread without resorting to insults & rule breaking or please do not participate. Thanks.

(Dunamite;38426) There can be no convincing. Of course there can be. I thought Christians were fond of touting how people convert to their relgion? Accepting Jesus Christ is a matter of faith. Why? Why aren't other things that are obviously impossible a matter of faith? Even if I could convince...

Do you believe in the book of Genesis literally?

(Jon-Marc;38389) You can't explain a great work of music to a deaf man. Actually, one of the greatest composers who ever lived was stone deaf. Point being that your argument is a variation of the ad hominem fallacy; you're attacking the person instead of addressing the argument. To be sure...

(Wayne Murray;38422) The Duke of VandalsThrow all the rocks you want to. You made no valid points.Another one needs his diaper changed.Whew what a mess !!Better use plenty of baby powder.We wouldn't want him to get a rash.Stick a bottle in his mouth before the crying starts again.Put him on your...