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  1. Athanasius377

    The Case for the Sinless Ever-Virgin Mary.

    Yes, I have read all these arguments before and they are wanting. Rome knows the apocrypha is inferior that's why the call them deutero-canonical. Anyone who has read the books know they are inferior if for nothing else because they contain historical errors that are so egregious that it...
  2. Athanasius377

    The Case for the Sinless Ever-Virgin Mary.

    This is false. The rabbis at Jabneh or Jamnia never discussed the apocrypha. As Roger Beckwith Observes: a) The term ‘synod’ or ‘council’ is inappropriate. The academy at Jamnia, established by Rabbi Johanan ben Zakkai shortly before the fall of Jerusalem in ad 70, was both a college and a...
  3. Athanasius377

    The Case for the Sinless Ever-Virgin Mary.

    This statement stems from Rome's deficient anthropology specifically how it relates to the doctrine of original sin. Even a child who does not reach the age of reason, about seven in the Roman system, can and does sin. Sin is in every child's nature. The only sinless one is Jesus. This is...
  4. Athanasius377

    The Case for the Sinless Ever-Virgin Mary.

    I don't disagree at all. Where I was taking exception was trying to define the why not the what. I have a ridiculous number of commentaries and ALL of them turn themselves inside out trying to define the why in John 20:17. At the end of the day I am happy letting the text stand as is and like...
  5. Athanasius377

    The Case for the Sinless Ever-Virgin Mary.

    I have to disagree with the exegesis because if what you say is true regrading John 20:17, then what do you do with do you do with Matt 28:9? 28 Now after the Sabbath, toward the dawn of the first day of the week, Mary Magdalene and the other Mary went to see the tomb. 2 And behold, there was...
  6. Athanasius377

    The Case for the Sinless Ever-Virgin Mary.

    Have you ever noticed that when someone coverts to Rome they are always talking about "the church" while when someone is born again they are always talking about Jesus. Just an observation.
  7. Athanasius377

    Reader Poll - Where did the Bible come from?

    Yes I did but the word was also used in works outside the NT so the definition is pretty concrete.
  8. Athanasius377

    Reader Poll - Where did the Bible come from?

    I think Bart knows about the physical origins of the Bible but rejects the divine orgins of the Bible. Also, be aware that Bart writes books for a popular audience that probably won't challenge him and writes other works for a more academic audience. He tends to be far more nuanced and careful...
  9. Athanasius377

    Reader Poll - Where did the Bible come from?

    I would have preferred "God Breathed" as 2 Tim 3:16 states in the ESV but "inspired" is the older english form of the same Greek word θεόπνευστος, or Theopneustos.
  10. Athanasius377

    Reader Poll - Where did the Bible come from?

    I would also mention that New Advent, while a Romish run site does put on its site the classic Schaff series' Ante and Post Nicene Fathers. Its a wealth of information from the Early Church Fathers though be aware there may be more than one recension on a given work and the website owners will...
  11. Athanasius377

    Reader Poll - Where did the Bible come from?

    The issue of the Canon is pretty fascinating history. Some of the books I have found helpful are: -The Old Testament Canon of the New Testament Church and Its Background in Early Judaism by Roger Beckwith -The Canon of Scripture by F.F. Bruce -The Question of Canon and Canon Revisited by...
  12. Athanasius377

    The Case for the Sinless Ever-Virgin Mary.

    So in other words you are one of the types, that shall I say, grow, roll and smoke their own theology? Good to know. I'll just put you on ignore. Cheers!
  13. Athanasius377

    The Case for the Sinless Ever-Virgin Mary.

    Not so fast. I take issue with the phrase, "Mother of God". The phrase is completely orthodox and its origin has to do with the two natures of Christ. Meaning Jesus Christ is both fully God and fully man in one person (hypostasis) human and divine and not some sort of weird hybrid or two...
  14. Athanasius377

    The Case for the Sinless Ever-Virgin Mary.

    That's not in any bible and for good reason. Its a work of a heretical sect and even Rome had the good sense centuries ago to condemn the work as such. Now, we have forum members trying to rehabilitate the work because their church's doctrine changed in the intervening centuries.
  15. Athanasius377

    The Case for the Sinless Ever-Virgin Mary.

    The assertion is earlier in the work: 4. And, behold, an angel of the Lord stood by, saying: Anna, Anna, the Lord hath heard thy prayer, and thou shalt conceive, and shall bring forth; and thy seed shall be spoken of in all the world. And Anna said: As the Lord my God liveth, if I beget either...
  16. Athanasius377

    The Case for the Sinless Ever-Virgin Mary.

    Most of the ideas about Mary gave their genesis in the Protoevangelium of James. Which I would add, was condemned by a couple of Popes. But you know how that is, :smirk:. Here is part of the text were Mary remains a virgin even after she gives birth. And by virgin I don't mean not merely...
  17. Athanasius377

    Does it matter which version of the Bible you read?

    Changing the Word according to what standard? A 17th century Anglican translation for use in the Church of England? And who is the "they" you speak of?
  18. Athanasius377

    Does it matter which version of the Bible you read?

    Put the verse back into context: Dear friends, do not believe every spirit, but test the spirits to see whether they are from God, because many false prophets have gone out into the world. 2 This is how you can recognize the Spirit of God: Every spirit that acknowledges that Jesus Christ has...
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    gay christians?

    Rome changes positions all the time. Capital Punishment for one. 2267 Assuming that the guilty party’s identity and responsibility have been fully determined, the traditional teaching of the Church does not exclude recourse to the death penalty, if this is the only possible way of...
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    gay christians?

    Que the hair splitting. RCC apologists know Fiducia Supplicans is a subversive document. Francis knows this and that’s why it was released. No matter how you interpret the document it is a change from the response to the Dubia that was released in March or 2021. This is development of...