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And after reading some replies and much prayer I stand by my first statement which Scott A dreamed as BS ..... God has set fourth the parameters of his box ... it would be wise to fit in it for the box you try to put God into will be woefully insufficient and that is not BS Scott A

This thread exemplifies the need for strong fellowship as apparently even the supposed well learned have difficulty in identifying the subtle and soothing whispers of Satan's minions

It would be uncomfortably hard to imagine that the apostles of Jesus Christ would perpetrate lies even unto their death which by any standard was brutal ..... What would be the point ..... My entire understanding up to the point of salvation was we must have been dropped off by Martians because...

Then I suppose Paul is to be glorified instead of Jesus for he is the truth the way and life whilst also the judge of all and openly admitted that he does the things he should not do ...... oh snap I'm thinking Paul was saying he recognized no matter how hard he tried he could not live without...

Where was Paul at the time the old testament was written .....Was Paul a Levite ... was he a Pharisee or was Paul a disciple of Jesus Christ so in that manner sir you have done what you say you have not.

I have no arguments with scripture for what I believe is for my salvation and how I receive scripture is only for me and never a argument with another for in the blink of an eye from death I will meet Jesus and give an account with no yay or nay Sayers for or against me as will we all.

It is a simple thing ... you must fit into the box the Lord has set forth .... Do not put God into your box his smallest thought would overwhelm it.

We can go into old testament and try to play it against the new testament as many scoffers do.... it only shows a wanting will to deny Jesus his rightful place as savior and light of the world ...... only one with true understanding would recognize this.

Romans 10 9 If you confess by mouth that Jesus is lord and the he was raised from death then salvation is yours as a free gift and eternal life is yours.

The lie is the pharisees of the modern Church ... they opine for power, position and money ..... as we know you can not serve two masters I can imagine what Jesus would say and do upon his return . as for buying into lies I will not, the truth of God will prevail and God is no respecter of men.

Jesus did not give an endless checkbook of sin ..... But he did point out clearly that he came to fulfill Levitical law not to change it ..... We have a propensity to sin inherited from Adam with a willful want to blame others for our shortcomings. Each believer is charged to repent of their sin...

Your salvation is by Grace not by works or deeds, through your faith and the unblemished sacrifice of Jesus you have salvation , he said no one comes to the Father accept through me I am the truth , the way and life eternally.

To all who would ask who or why he came consider Nicodemus who come to ask who are you that you do these miracles and speak such things and Jesús answered him with a question .... Where were you at the beginning as I was? If that question cant clear it up then may I suggest a more in-depth...