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Ok, very good, I agree with what you’re saying. I’m having a hard time seeing the millennium being a 968-967 BC to 33 AD event. In Revelation 20:3 Satan is cast into the pit with a seal put upon him. In Revelation 12:7 the war in heaven is between Michael and the dragon (Satan) and their...

Revelation 14:13 And I heard a voice from heaven saying unto me, Write, Blessed are the dead which die in the Lord from henceforth: Yea, saith the Spirit, that they may rest from their labours; and their works do follow them. This verse would seem to fit with the time that the millennium...

If the Antichrist and false prophet are both destroyed prior to the MK then how can the unclean frog like spirits come out of their mouths after the MK?

What about Revelation 19:20? When are the beast and false prophet cast into the lake of fire, before the millennium or after the millennium? I agree that all the unbelievers are going to be judged, no one will escape that. What ever the punishment that is determined will be just.

I agree, it’s not just those who have added to the book that get the plagues. If I’m understanding you correctly then you have the last plagues/bowls being poured out after the millennium and the second coming also taking place after the millennium. We do see the rest of the dead live again...

So are you saying that the last plagues literally happen twice? Once before the millennium and again after the millennium? Revelation 16:13-14 spirits come out of the beast and false prophet and go forth to the kings of the earth. In Revelation 19:20 the beast and false prophet are cast into...

As I’ve said those people who penned out the manuscripts are now dead, we can’t know for certain what their intentions were. If someone were to say today that they have an eighth bowl of wrath, then they are adding to the book of Revelation. Almost no one is going to change any of the trusted...

I’m not saying the plagues can’t happen in the future, I’m saying they can’t be literal unless you can show how those who have already disobeyed the warning participate in literal plagues, the plagues written in the book of Revelation. What it shows is that the book of Revelation was altered in...

Ok, if three people all got the bubonic plague at the same time, with one being a true believer, one being a person who added to Revelation, and one who was an atheist, you would conclude that the reason the person who added to the Bible got the plague was solely due to their action of adding to...

Oh really, which translation has 616? Which translation doesn’t have the saints being overcome? People in the past worked diligently to sort through these differences in the various manuscripts to give us what we consider the “words” of the book of Revelation. I personally think this work should...

Hold on a minute, you said in post #108 “The plaques are at the end, and probation closes as each case is decided as saints or sinners, and then the Second Coming of Christ.” Now you’re saying the unjust aren’t resurrection until after the millennium. Do the plagues happen before the millennium...

Where do you draw the line on what’s considered altering the book? Did you even look at the list? One example is Revelation 13:7, one version is “and it was given unto him to make war with the saints, and to overcome them”. The other version is “and it was given unto him to make war with the...

Ok thanks for that, we have something to work with here. From Wikipedia the origin of the black plague is disputed but genetic analysis suggests about 600 BC on the China border. How many outbreaks in the early years isn’t known but it was introduced to Europe in 1347. After the initial wave of...

I’ve heard Preterist say that the Revelation 22 warning was meant specifically for those to whom the book was written. Just as Philemon 1:23 isn’t meant for us today. Philemon 1:23 There salute thee Epaphras, my fellowprisoner in Christ Jesus; If the warning was meant only for those in the...

@Timtofly Well? I just gave you over 100 potential alterations made to the book. Are you going to say with absolute certainty that none of them were intentional? Have you found anyone that has experienced the literal plagues yet?

Here’s a list of discrepancies … Rev 1:5 "having washed away our" vs. "having washed away" vs. "having washed you from" vs. "having freed us from" (later manuscripts) (The words "freed" and "washed" are identical in Greek except that "freed" has "ou" and "washed" has "u"). Rev 1:6 "forever...

Yea, if it was just the one person that did it and no one else was involved. Have you found any evidence of anyone ever receiving the plagues in the past? Hint, the Preterist have the plagues literally occurring to those in Jerusalem in the first century.

That means either dead people can experience the plagues or there is a resurrection of the dead in order for them to experience the plagues. Which is it?

Can you give me just one documented case where someone has received the plagues for adding to the book?

So if someone gets the mark they no longer have free will? What makes you think that besides a literal interpretation of the plagues? It seems you have to give up some foundational beliefs to support literal plagues.