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So what is your explanation of what the "sign" of the Son of Man is spoken of by Christ in Matthew 24:30?

I'm just trying to have a conversation with my fellow believers over a verse in the Bible. Nothing more. And yes. I have studied this subject for quit some time, but I am not here to push my views on anyone else or disparage anyone from participating in the conversation. Your free not to...

How do you know I would "dismiss" your answers? And how do you know that I haven't studied? And I am not looking for a debate, just a conversation over the subject.

Yes, I understand. But I don't know how that applies to what Christ is saying in Matthew 24:29-31. 29 “Immediately after the tribulation of those days the sun will be darkened, and the moon will not give its light; the stars will fall from heaven, and the powers of the heavens will be shaken...

How does this apply, in context, to the text of Matthew 24:30?

Good example. The star of Bethlehem was a physical sign that anyone could see, BUT only the Magi knew how to interpret it. The Magi were descendances of the students of Daniel so they knew of the prophecies of the coming Messiah. Although there is no known record of what this "Star" was, there...

Nothing about the abomination of desolation, but there are many things that are in the book of Revelation that many people believe are literal or spiritual when, in actuality, they are astronomical in nature.

One of the most amazing discoveries I had was the "Double edge sword" from the mouth of the Lord in Revelation 1:16 Rev. 1:16 16 He had in His right hand seven stars, out of His mouth went a sharp two-edged sword, and His countenance was like the sun shining in its strength. In 65-66 AD...

Correct, you will see the "sign" about every ~12 years BUT if the events happen like Christ said they would AND you see the sign at the same time THEN you know it was him. This was when Christ was speaking to the Pharisees which did not believe he was the Messiah. The only sign they would get...

The stars that make up the constellations do not "change their course". But they do move through the sky. The stars raise in the east and fall in the west. For example Daniel 7 2 Daniel spoke, saying, “I saw in my vision by night, and behold, the four winds of heaven were stirring up the Great...

Individually. But the verse is talking about the completeness of it. There was a major earthquake off the coast of Antioch that caused a very destructive tsunami on December 13th 115 AD. Antioch was home base for the Roman army in it's campaign against Israel and it was ground zero for the...

Yep! Well done!

I agree with you that there was a "overlap" between the old and new covenant. I believe this was a period of time the God allow that generation of Jews to fully embrace Christ as the Messiah. But I don't think it stopped at 70 AD. The nation of Israel was destroyed then but the rinmanites of the...

You would classify me as Amil. I believe Christ is on the throne now and has dominion over the Earth. But we are still in the process of making this world "Heaven on Earth". You could argue that the NHNE was started at the Cross but has not reached it's full protentional because we (the human...

I understand your skepticism. I was skeptical myself when I was exposed to this, but after considering that God himself said he uses the Sun, moon, and stars for seasons and "Signs" in Genesis 1:14 I started to look at it differently. "And God said, Let there be lights in the firmament of the...

I guess they wouldn't be useful at all. But I don't think that we were the attended audience.

Very interest insight. I agree there are some verbiage in John's writing that symbolized the Tabernacle. But the description John givs goes farther then "tabernacle" references. - right hand with 7 stars - 2 edge sword from his mouth - face like the sun These are astronomical descriptions...

"Angels" or Angelos means messenger in the Greek. And "stars" is a generic term. It can be used for meteors, planets (wondering stars), comets, and fixed stars. I have found that it can even be used for a whole constellation when expressed as a "great" star. Rev 1:20 The mystery of the seven...

Yes, that could be. Christ warned to be on guard because it will come quickly. But he also accompanied it with "from the east to the west" which is also the path stars travel through the sky as the earth rotates.

I really appreciate everyone contribution to this poll. I have enjoyed reading everyone response. I apologize for my lack of participation in the discussions. My free time has been limited lately. I have been studying this subject for some time and believe it to be a Astronomical "sign". Just...