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    If Satan is the devil, is God responsible for all evil?

    You're answer was good, until that last sentence. It's not a wild rant, if you support the conclusion. Your conclusion is: "Yes God allows evil and sin to test us. Innocent people suffering and dying is part of a bigger plan by God." People going to God or to hell, based on roles assigned by...
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    If Satan is the devil, is God responsible for all evil?

    Many Christians equate Satan with the Devil – and insist they are one and the same. But let’s assume for the sake of argument that this identification is correct: That Satan, the Accuser, is also the Devil – the personification of evil. Then the question becomes unavoidable: If Satan is the...
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    Synagogue of Satan!

    Eh no. Satan testing us is quite normal, so him having approval to do that, is not the problem. The whole destroying the world stuff is morally a bit more challenging, when orchestrated by God, instead of the devil being an independent figure doing it against God's will.
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    Synagogue of Satan!

    Nah I'm not discussing it over there. In general on the other post I wasn't so in on the calling Judaism satanic thing, that's dangerous territory. But just for the sake of it, let's say I accept Satan is the devil. Satan ist still acting with God's approval cause Job says so. Let's take that as...
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    Satan is NOT the Devil - Cheol is NOT Gehenna (Hell)

    No, I'm safe since I love Jesus and I know him and he knows me. That was his promise. Who said the doctrines of demons weren't already there? People did horrible things in the name of Jesus. Murder, hoard riches. Seeing that temple of gold in Rome, that's the opposite of what Jesus taught. This...
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    Satan is NOT the Devil - Cheol is NOT Gehenna (Hell)

    For example: in John Jesus calls the devil the ruler of the world. Ask a Jew or a Muslim "who rules the world?", they will say "God the almighty". That doesn't make God the devil, neither powerless in this world. So this is more complex. The devil manifests in lie about God, to seek power.
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    Satan is NOT the Devil - Cheol is NOT Gehenna (Hell)

    Oh I see you're going the route of abrogation, cause the Jews denied Jesus, their scripture is false, or their traditional interpretations are false. Basically like Muhammad does who corrected his own earlier divine revelation, saying Jesus is the word and spirit of God, for a later revelation...
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    Satan is NOT the Devil - Cheol is NOT Gehenna (Hell)

    Yes it is. That's called theology. You're into apologetics. I'm a studied theologian. I need more proof than the fact Christians thought Satan and the devil are the same. As this is a highly controversial position and incoherant with the old testament. If you ask a Jew, they will say Satan is...
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    Satan is NOT the Devil - Cheol is NOT Gehenna (Hell)

    I didn't say that. We all read books multiple times to understand. Job shows that Satan serves God's will, the devil doesn't. Not hard to understand. The stories of the Bible were put together from fragments by the church hundreds years after written. Some books like John were heavily redacted...
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    Satan is NOT the Devil - Cheol is NOT Gehenna (Hell)

    Revelation came more than 100 years after Jesus died and is well, controversial. Orthodox Christians don't even accept it as part of the Bible, Catholics and Evangelicals do, it's highly symbolic and polemic, not an accurate description of reality. It shows early Christians started conflating...
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    Satan is NOT the Devil - Cheol is NOT Gehenna (Hell)

    For context: Only Matthew calls him the devil. For Luke it's Satan, for Mark it's Satan, for Jesus it's Satan, even in Matthew. So all this proves is that the church used the wrong word when canonizing Matthew. The Bible contradicts among the scripture all the time, cause people make mistakes...
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    Satan is NOT the Devil - Cheol is NOT Gehenna (Hell)

    Many Christians today unknowingly mix biblical terms with medieval theology. Let’s clarify two common misunderstandings: --- 1. Satan ≠ the Devil In the Old Testament, haSatan ("the accuser") is not an enemy of God but part of His heavenly court (Job 1–2). He acts as a kind of prosecutor...
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    Synagogue of Satan!

    A religion cannot be Satan. So you fall for a typical theological trap, established by Catholic myths, that say Satan and Diabolus (the devil) are the same person. They are not. haSatan (the accuser) is not evil at all. He is a servant of God, assigned of testing believers faith. He tries to...
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    Synagogue of Satan!

    Without Judaism there is no Christianity. Jesus Christ and all his disciples were Jews. The Jewish Bible, aka the old Testament is central to understand the teachings of Jesus Christ. Antisemitism or Antijudaism are certainly sins against God, who chose the Jewish people, as his people. Jesus...
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    Shalom alekhem

    Hi there, Just quickly introducing myself. Happy to be here. I've been born Christian and baptized in the Lutheran church and always had a complex relationship with Jesus. I just kept studying, as knowing Jesus is the way to know the father. I've studied evangelical theology at university and...
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    Satan Trying to Contact Me Through Dream?

    Dreams try to tell you something from your subconciousness. Your reaction fits the symbolism of the dream itself. You fear being gay. Trevor is a manifestation of that fear. He's an ugly man with perverse sexuality e.g Dreams are manifestations of unsolved conflict within yourself. It's not...
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    Theological Argument: Jesus calls his disciples into His family, not into servitude.

    1. Jesus Calls Us Friends, Not Servants > “I no longer call you servants, because a servant does not know his master’s business. Instead, I have called you friends…” — John 15:15 (NIV) Jesus deliberately redefines the disciple relationship from hierarchy to friendship. Friendship implies...