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Thanks, Biblica. We're coming to a sharp disagreement here, but I enjoy the discussion. I'm used to hearing the historic and dispensational forms of premillennialism. Your view seems to combine elements of both in a way I haven't encountered before. For the sake of discussion, I'll grant the...

Biblica, your reply clarifies your chronology, and I need to correct my earlier summary. As I now understand it, you place the captivity during the tribulation before Christ appears and gathers His saints in Matthew 24:30-31. Every believer is gathered and glorified, then taken to heaven for the...

mmm. I'm having cookie envy :D I think i understand better where you arrive at that 3rd category now. Thanks for the explanation. I'll ruminate on this a while. Enjoy that cookie! in His Grip S.J.

I've always suspected flat-earth theory is, at least in part, one enormous epistemological troll. The interesting question underneath it isn't really, "Is the earth flat?" It's, "How do you know what you claim to know?" Most of us have never personally performed the measurements necessary to...

I'll be forthright here, Biblica: that opening is a little off-putting. I've given you Scripture and explained how I understand those passages to fit together. Psalm 2:8 says the nations are given to Christ as His inheritance. Psalm 22:27 says all the ends of the earth will turn to the Lord...

I understand the subject of your thread to be why the absence of worldwide peace during Christ’s earthly ministry doesn't disqualify Him as the Messiah. Your answer is that Isaiah’s warless world begins after Christ returns and judges the nations. That's all I'm really trying to understand, how...

We agree - all scriptures must be consulted. So help walk me through how you arrived at survivors when Jesus returns. Zechariah 12:10 cannot be assigned to a post-return opportunity for salvation without first consulting its New Testament fulfillment. Zechariah gives us this order: The Spirit...

Waiting patiently for you. Take your time, I'm in no hurry.

@Dan Clarkston, Rather than derail the eschatology discussion with epithets and demeaning charges, I’m moving your claims about Calvin and Servetus here so we can deal with them directly. You’ve made several specific accusations: That Michael Servetus rejected both Catholic and Calvinist...

Tell you what, Dan, why don't you start a new thread on Servetus and you can rant about Calvin there instead of derailing this one. I'll join you. Start the thread with your understanding of the circumstances that led Servetus to Geneva in the first place. Don't forget to include that he was...

My step-brother lives in Portland. We've visited quite a few times, and there were empty churches on every corner - boarded up, the works. The city is definitely a spiritual wasteland.

Thanks for clarifying your position. I'd like to begin with the chronology and leave the other passages aside for the moment. Paul gives us a straightforward order in 1 Corinthians 15: Christ is reigning now. He continues reigning until His enemies have been placed beneath His feet. Death is...

Biblica, you are right - we derailed your topic. Davy and I allowed a narrower disagreement about “peace” and the Antichrist to consume the thread. I sincerely apologize for my part in that. In answer to your topic, let me offer my own perspective. Have you considered that Christ is already...

Calling that conclusion “Scripture” does not place it in the text, and calling those who question it “deceived” does not demonstrate it. At this point, I see no value in pursuing the exchange further. I have identified the missing premise several times, and repeating the conclusion cannot...

I did not sidestep 1 Thessalonians 5:3. I quoted it and addressed it directly. The verse says: “There will be worldwide peace and safety” and “they shall say, Peace and safety” are two different statements. Paul tells us what people will be saying and believing immediately before unexpected...

My concern here is that this interpretive method has produced so many failed predictions and prophetic scenarios: conclusions supplied by an eschatological system are announced as “Biblical fact,” and Christians who do not find those conclusions in the cited passages are then accused of hiding...

I did not arrive at that conclusion. That conclusion is being inferred from information outside the text. Your phrase “fake world peace” combines two distinct claims: Claim 1: Deceived people believe themselves safe and secure. Claim 2: A false Messiah has established an actual worldwide...

The KJV reads: The original 1611 KJV marginal note beside the word “peace” reads: So “prosperity,” along with the closely related ideas of ease and security, did not originate with modern liberal translators. The Authorized Version translators themselves placed that alternate sense in the...

Have you compared the translations of that verse? Daniel 8:25 - Bible Gateway I get how the KJV wording might lead you there, but most translations render the phrase as “while they are at ease,” “when they feel secure,” or “without warning.” The sense is that he destroys people while they feel...

Marks, I see the connection among the passages, but I still do not see one saying every person’s name was originally written in the book of life and then later removed. Revelation 17:8 says some names “were not written in the book of life from the foundation of the world.” In Exodus 32, Moses...