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So any group that has the bible and no other book is not a cult?

Who decides what the "original teachings" are?

And what would Nicodemus hear whenever someone is born again?

Says who? Doesn't the doctrine of the Trinity date back to the Coucil of Nicea in the 4th Century? Wasn't that set up under Constantine's authority to find basic beliefs that would unite men under his political leadership? The bible talks about "the godhead", is there a difference between...

The issue is resolved in my mind, the only question is whether anyone on here is willing to accept correction. I do meet them from time to time.

Nonsense, Jesus often asked people questions, to show them where they were "at". Some hated it, others took it as an opportunity to learn.

this is "meet Christianity" - where you and others can meet it! I know you think you already know, but as will be shown, you don't... the question is "What do you actually have to believe..." so you are kind of confusing the point by looking at the disciples before they became born again at...

yes No, it's when did they receive his Life, his New Testament salvation. The Old Covenant. The new requires receiving the Spirit. Like in the Old Covenant, the sacrificial lamb wasn't just killed, they had to take the blood and sprinkle the altar before the glory/blessing came. Jesus had...

Faith is still the same, but how that translates is different. Abraham was commanded to offer his son etc, we are not. We are commanded to beb born again, Abraham was not.

Which disciples can't we point it out with? If we take the bible definition of being saved by the "washing" (baptism) of the Holy Spirit (Titus 3:5), then clearly they all received this at Pentecost. Jesus had said they would know the day (John 14:20)

But life starts at a point, "birth". Not something that goes unnoticed! Do you know what the born again experience is? If you can identify when the discuiples were born again, you know when they started following Jesus the way we need to.

So when do you believe the disciples became saved in the New Testament sense? When did anyone in the New Testament become saved?

I'm using the KJV because I've read reports of the unreliability of later translations. This most important of subjects can be a test case! I'm not a greek scholar, are you? I would like to know whether the phrase translated "saved" is better translated "being saved". In the meantime, do you...

The church in the New Testament certainly knew they had received salvation: "unto us which are saved" (1 Cor. 1:18) "Who hath saved us" (2 Tim.1:9) "he saved us, by the washing of regeneration, and renewing of the Holy Ghost" (Titus 3:5) etc. How do you explain these statements? What...

These verses suggest so: "And the LORD said, My spirit shall not always strive with man, for that he also is flesh: yet his days shall be an hundred and twenty years. There were giants in the earth in those days; and also after that, when the sons of God came in unto the daughters of men, and...

Is anyone able to give a simple "yes" or "no"? If you are unable or unwilling because you don't really understand the passage, how would you re-word the question to get to the key to understanding what it refers to?

My point is that until you have received the Spirit as the New Covenant details (the only way), you are a non-Christian (according to the bible definition- Romans 8:8-9) In other words, you are not a part of, and cannot understand the Kingdom of God (John 3:3-8) Yes, you don't because you...

Jesus doesn't change, neither does the covenant he set up, that's the nature of a covenant. "Though it be but a man's covenant, yet if it be confirmed, no man disannulls, or adds thereto." (Gal.3:15) Like with the Law, "not a jot or tittle shall pass" The old "times are different now" argument...

The bible shows God giving all the disciples, and those they were sent to, the same infilling of his Spirit and it was known when this happened, they spoke in tongues. surely it's unbelief and unfaithfulness to God to ask for or expect different? But if you read on in any of the 4 gospel...

:-( not the Jesus I read about No, I just want the same. That reminds me of this: "And they brought young children to him, that he should touch them: and his disciples rebuked those that brought them. But when Jesus saw it, he was much displeased, and said unto them, Suffer the little...