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HI Tomwebster, I've decided I'm not going to debate this issue anymore. It's not a salvation issue. I like you Tom, with everything else you post here, we are both on the same page. I consider you a true brother in the Lord. Peace

I was. Sorry about that. When I tried to reply to his post, it added it to my post I already made.

Both are true. Clearly though, since God's Word will not contradict it's self, they don't mean the same thing. On the one hand, you seem to use "All things" meaning we can figure out what exact date Christ is returning, yet the other verse states that no man, not the angels, nor the son know the...

I have to disagree with you Tom. I feel we will know the season, but the exact day...no, well that is except when the 2 witnesses are killed, a time frame is given after that. But for someone to say that on such and such a day, Christ is returning, that does go against God's word. Can we use an...

You better check who your source is. What you are saying completely flies in the face of God's Word: Mar 13:32 But of that day and that hour knoweth no man, no, not the angels which are in heaven, neither the son, but the Father. And: Mat 25:13 Watch therefore, for ye know neither the...

I agree Veteran. Satan will be everything to everyone. He will be the Islam's Messiah, Christian's Messiah, he'll be buddah...or any other religious messiah out there. Satan is out to deceive the whole world and with all the confusion there is, it won't be difficult. How many times have people...

Very good Veteran! God calls himself a consuming fire. I don't see him having any trouble doing away with those who choose not to love him on Judgment day. For me, it very easy to understand it in this compuiter world. God can create the souls, he can also "delete" them.... Poof, gone...

That's right. No one needs to know the greek and hebrew as a second language to learn the scriptures, but....having the tools to take the English words back to the original, does give one a better understanding of God's word. It wasn't written in English and alot gets lost in the...

Pedition in the Greek: apōleia ap-o'-li-a From a presumed derivative of G622; ruin or loss (physical, spiritual or eternal): - damnable (-nation), destruction, die, perdition, X perish, pernicious ways, waste. Using it in context, he is the son of destruction...death. Satan is the only one...

Tex said: It is clear in those verses who the man of sin/lawlessness is: 2Th 2:3 Let no man deceive you by any means: for that day shall not come, except there come a falling away first, and that man of sin be revealed, the son of perdition; 2Th 2:4 Who opposeth and exalteth himself above...

Very good post Veteran!! One has to take all of God's word, not just a verse or 2 or a word or 2. The subject matter should flow throughout the bible. God's word is like a fine woven tapestry.... The bible interprets itself

Amen Tom! There are two beasts!! The antichrist or "instead of Christ" is satan himself, claiming to be Christ. The whole world will wonder after him Rev. 13:3 Satan, the "instead of Christ" will come in peacefully and prosperously Dan 8:24 And his power shall be mighty, but not by his own...

I meant to say Babylon the great...is a world wide religion...with Satan at the head of it while he will sit in Jerusalem claiming to be God.

I see babylon the great, not being a place...but people and a state of being. The root word of Babylon is Babble.....which means "confusion". Ancient babylon worshiped many gods....but not the one true God. I see babylon as also being the birth place to much mythology. Their false teachings...

I agree with you Tom. And it takes alot of reading and studying for those who want to put the time in. God says to study to show ourselves approved. He aslo equates find a truth as compared to a treasure and hardley ever is a treasure found on the surface. You have to dig for a treasure, but...

Good post Watchman. Many simply read over 2 Peter, assuming it's the flood of Noah's time being spoken about, without really checking the full meaning of the words and/or compaing it Noah's flood. When one does their homework, they start to see that 2 Peter is not speaking about Noah's flood...

I have not read here, in this thread at least, anyone claiming who is or is not of the elect. That is completely up to God. Paul did not realize the truth untill God opened his eyes. No one knows when or who it will happen to. But if one is of the elect of God, God will make it known to them...

Good post! I agree completely! Hopefully others will also consider why only certain people need to be tested by the antichrist and not all human who have ever lived. God is fair and there is a reason for everything.

It is a deep study and it is in God's word. His truth is a treasure which we dig for, we dig through Scripture. Rarely is a treasure found on the surface. And God does tell us to study to show ourselves approved: 2Ti 2:15 Study to shew thyself approved unto God, a workman that needeth not to be...

I believe God has predestined some to do a job. But as far as some being predestined to hell, no, I do not believe that. Why would our loving Father create someone knowing they were going to hell? That would be cruel. It is not God's nature to do such a thing. I've even heard pastors teach...