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You can whine and cry like a three year old all you want aspen, but the FACTs are that vengeance is a quality that God assigns to HIMSELF by HIMSELF.

[/size] I could certainly join those nations but being earthly nations have nothing to do with the spiritual nation it wouldn't mean anything.

[/size] Israel first appeared when God called Jacob, Israel. So tell me, BIBLICALLY, from that point, when did Israel cease people PEOPLE and start being LAND? LOL, whatever... I don't doubt God has a hand in government but the fact is if the creation of Israel isn't as you say it is (in a...

What does that have to do with Zechariah 14? Stick to the topic. You already have a thread promoting your Israel heresy.

[/size] I'm sorry. But you are simply not on Biblical ground right now. Eliminate your bias and re-read the Scriptures. Romans 9:6, For not all who are descended from Israel belong to Israel. Ephesians 2:15, For he himself is our peace, who has made us both one and has broken down in his...

I tried. You just don't like my answer because it doesn't fit within your pre-conceived bias of how you want the end times to work.

There's no contradiction unless you misunderstand the scriptures as pacifists (you) do. An eye for an eye was an OT law of justice. It meant: 1) Fair judgement. If you killed someone, you too, will be killed as punishment. Eye for an eye. 2) No excessive punishment. If you stole some bread, you...

Um, that's not about the same thing. That's, "Let me BS my way into pushing my agenda".

I find it odd you just throw out a bone and then ignore everything posted about it. Isn't that trolling?

You're kidding yourself.

I think this response is sufficient enough to tell me (and others reading) what I needed to know.

And I asked if Paul lies. "ALLLLLLL Scripture is God Breathed". Is he a liar or not? Yes or no?

So you call Paul a liar? "All scripture is breathed out by God"?

You should really read Hebrews sometime, as well. For he was looking forward to the city that has foundations, whose designer and builder is God. But as it is, they desire a better country, that is, a heavenly one. Therefore God is not ashamed to be called their God, for he has prepared for...

Aren't we (Israel) already planted in the land (Spiritual) God has given us? Aren't we secure in Christ? You're making the exact same mistake the Jews of Christ's day made, don't you know that? They thought Jesus be seated behind walls, in a temple, on a throne, wearing a crown, to be their...

Ducky, you ignore Chapter 13. You never even addressed it. Chapter 13 and the beginning of 14 should clue you in to the time period of this time. One verse, does not negate the rest of the context. Is the dissolving of flesh (by intense heat), dry mouths, etc... Not a picture of the destiny...

Excellent point, I hadn't thought of that before. I'm fairly certain the majority of people came to the knowledge through the Bible. God has made himself clearly known to the world through Creation. For what can be known about God is plain to them, because God has shown it to them. For...

Absolutely right- I won't discount that. But Thankful believes a perfect life is MANDATORY for Heaven. I don't disagree, we should live the best live we can.

Thankful doesn't practice what he preaches. I've caught him in a lie before. The question is if he actually BELIEVES you must be sinless or not. That's justification by works, my friends- and not the gospel. If he BELIEVES in salvation by faith alone, then he may yet be saved. However, Paul...

It's not just war, it's the "Government is God" mantra and contrary to what Martin Luther King Jr says, that includes social programs. He was simply arguing against one extreme and advocating for another extreme. It comes down to this: our dependence on government. Until our dependence comes...