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    Did Jesus Break The Sabbath

    Shabbat shalom, Big Boy Johnson. One should NOT lump the covenant with the Law. The Law came first and was read to the children of Israel, and they AGREED to perform it as written. That AGREEMENT is the Old Covenant. It was a this-for-that agreement, and both parties were responsible for their...
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    Did Jesus Break The Sabbath

    Shalom, Big Boy Johnson. I'm curious; when do you associate with others like yourself in belief? We're not to "abandon the gathering of ourselves together," y'know. Anyway, I'm neither Seventh Day Adventist nor Seventh Day Baptist. I'm a Messianic Jew, and I follow the traditions of the...
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    Did Jesus Break The Sabbath

    Shalom, Big Boy Johnson. Yeeshuwa` didn't NEED to teach it! It was in the Scriptures, and He obeyed the Law IN ALL POINTS! It was His Father's WILL! Furthermore, He was speaking to JEWS, who didn't need anyone teach it to them! They knew it since childhood! And, He was "not sent but unto the...
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    Questions for Sabbatarians

    Shalom, Big Boy Johnson. Correct; however, into WHAT are we "graffed?" Some say "the church" or even "the Church" (which suggests a universal entity), but that in itself is a problem. See, the word "church" comes from "kuriokon" which means "of the Lord." The biblical word in the Greek of the...
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    Jesus And The Apostles Observed The Sabbath Day

    Shalom, Illuminator. Of course, the two days are different. Anyone who called "Sunday" a "sabbath" is purposely confusing the issue. However, as I've said, the believers in the Messiah RESTED on the Shabbat ("sabbath") and they TRAVELED (often BY FOOT) to meet together on Yowm R'iyshown (the...
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    Did Jesus Break The Sabbath

    Shalom, Scott. This was because they WERE Shabbat-observant and on the FIRST day of the week, they could move about freely to gather from wherever they lived. They RESTED on the Shabbat, and they TRAVELED on the First Day ({Yowm R'ishown). It's pretty simple, when you think about it.
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    Did Jesus Break The Sabbath

    Shalom, Scott. This is ABSOLUTELY UNTRUE! Yeeshuwa` was LORD of the Shabbat ("Sabbath")! He was the COMMANDER over that which is done in all Judah, for He was "the KING of the Jews and the SON OF GOD!" Didn't you listen to a word He said?! Matthew 12:9-21 (KJV) And when he was departed...
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    Questions for Sabbatarians

    Shalom, BB. Actually, there's no question that we are under a New Covenant. However, you should remember that the New Covenant, about which Jeremiah writes, was TO THE CHILDREN OF ISRAEL, not primarily to Gentiles except how they fit into the children of Israel! Jeremiah 31:31-34 (KJV) 31...
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    Questions for Sabbatarians

    Shalom, to those who are reading along. One must understand that Yeeshuwa` ("Jesus'" REAL name in Hebrew [יֵשׁוּעַ]) would NEVER change His Father's Law! HE UPHELD His Father's Law! And, He FULFILLED His Father's Law, for "He became SIN for us (He who knew no sin)," and DIED AS OUR SIN! Now...
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    Questions for Sabbatarians

    Shalom, GracePeace. (And, I wish you both.) You're welcome; I only wish you WERE sharing the truth.
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    Isaiah 65:17 vs. Revelation 21:1. How many NHNEs does that equal?

    Shalom, Davy. I'm not big on the 7 days representing 7,000 years, although it could be correct (despite evolutionary rhetoric). Nevertheless, that 1,000-year period to which many refer when saying "the Millennium" is not about the reign of Christ so much as it's about the incarceration of...
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    Isaiah 65:17 vs. Revelation 21:1. How many NHNEs does that equal?

    Shalom, Davy. I'm okay with what you say here (except the "men's traditions" nonsense), but I fear that you have another view of those "3 divisions of time." Yep. This is definitely a different view than what Peter was saying. That earth "standing out of the water and in the water" was the...
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    Isaiah 65:17 vs. Revelation 21:1. How many NHNEs does that equal?

    Shalom, Davy. This may be difficult for you to understand or accept, but that 1,000 years ARE the Day of the Lord! Yeeshuwa` the Messiah is called "the Sun of righteousness." Malachi 4:1-6 (KJV) 1 "For, behold, the day cometh, that shall burn as an oven; and all the proud, yea, and all that...
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    Questions for Sabbatarians

    Shalom, GracePeace. No, not at all. Yeeshuwa` ("Jesus") NEVER "overruled Torah" or "nullified His Father's commands!" Remember what I quoted above: Matthew 5:17-20 (KJV) 17 "Think not that I am come to destroy the law, or the prophets: I am not come to destroy, but to fulfil! 18 For verily I...
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    Questions for Sabbatarians

    Shalom, Big Boy Johnson. Well, if they are serving the Law for their justification, then they cannot truly enjoy the "REST upgrade," but all the same, it is still a good idea to keep YHWH God's Law, especially if one claims to have it written upon his or her heart! See, Paul said, Romans 7:12...
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    Questions for Sabbatarians

    Shalom, Big Boy Johnson. Actually, while the COVENANT was improved, the LAW has NEVER been rescinded. Instead, we read ... Jeremiah 31:31-34 (KJV) 31 "Behold, the days come," saith the LORD, "that I will make a new covenant with the house of Israel, and with the house of Judah: 32 Not...
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    Questions for Sabbatarians

    Shalom, Big Boy Johnson. Well, let's start with the verses to which you alluded: Genesis 2:2-3 (KJV) 2 And on the seventh day God ended his work which he had made; and he rested on the seventh day from all his work which he had made. 3 And God blessed the seventh day, and sanctified it...
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    Will The New Heaven And Earth Be A (Renewal-Regeneration) Of This Earth, Or Will It Be A Completely (New Creation)?

    Shalom, Truth7t7 Allow me to answer: Not exactly. These verses are still referring to the New Jerusalem found in Revelation 21. The phrase "in the midst of the street of it" has "the New Jerusalem" as the antecedent of "it." In other words, the "it" refers to the New Jerusalem. So, the river...
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    Will The New Heaven And Earth Be A (Renewal-Regeneration) Of This Earth, Or Will It Be A Completely (New Creation)?

    Shalom, ewq1938. With regard to salt water not existing in the NHNE, have you considered this prophecy in Ezekiel? Ezekiel 47:1-12 (KJV) 1 Afterward he brought me again unto the door of the house; and, behold, waters issued out from under the threshold of the house eastward: for the forefront...