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    Pre-destination and the elect

    Dear Justaname, Scripture simply does not support John MacArthur. Whether God created evil or calmity, it does not matter. Calmity is evil and it kills and destroys. You are ignoring the verses I posted so that your "idol of the heart" is not removed. God said that if there is evil in a city...
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    Universal Reconciliation

    Dear Dragonfly, You still do not understand. When God finished the creation and said that it was "good", it was exactly that. In fact, it was perfect for producing many new children who will be made in the image of God. Without the evil, mankind would be lacking in knowledge. God is using...
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    Pre-destination and the elect

    Dear Templar81, As you said, God does use evil but He doesn't merely "allow" it. God is responsible for it. God's 'will" is being done throughout His creation. Nothing happens apart from God's will. If there is evil in a city, God is responsilble for it. If a prophet is deceived, then God...
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    Universal Reconciliation

    Dear Rach, You clearly said that you support the orthodox teaching of hell. Also, I know the God of scripture is loving, merciful and longsuffering. He would never do what the orthodox teaching of hell says he will do. Only Satan would do such a thing. It is your god who is without love and...
  5. J

    Universal Reconciliation

    Dear Dragonfly, Your lengthy dialogue was well thought out and I'm sure you spent some time in writing it. But most of it is not supported by scripture and it comes from the carnal reasoning of man as expressed by the harlot church. Why do you believe that your "free will" gives you to the...
  6. J

    Pre-destination and the elect

    Dear Brother James I will say it again. God uses evil for good purposes. All the verses I quoted strongly support this fact. For God, evil would be to torment most of mankind in fire for all eternity for NO redeeming purpose. THAT WOULD BE TRULY EVIL. But God uses evil for our benefit; to...
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    Universal Reconciliation

    Dear Dragonfly, I have done nothing BUT give you scriptures that support what I believe. You merely do not believe those scriptures. Until you do, you will go on believing that Christ is the worse thing that ever happen to mankind instead of the Savior that He is. Joe Dear Rach, I was in...
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    Pre-destination and the elect

    Rand, I'll answer your 2nd question first: The second death is to be feared because God will judge the wicked in WRATH. It will be a time of great tribulation for those being judged. But as with any judgment of God, it has a beginning and an end. The end comes when God's purpose for the...
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    Universal Reconciliation

    Dear Dragonfly, Why do you believe that UR says that those who are not "in Christ" will be saved. I certainly have never said anything of the kind. Christ will call us all and convert us all. By the end of the final age, all mankind will be "in Christ". Don't confuse being in the church as...
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    Pre-destination and the elect

    Tim, If there are a few who are not saved, then Christ is at fault. He is the one responsible for saving us. What scriptures make you think that a few will not be saved? Joe Dear Brother James, Scripture NEVER says that mankind has the power to make uncaused choices nor does it say we have...
  11. J

    Universal Reconciliation

    Dear Rach, Orthodox teaching is completely harlot because it is spiritually blind. The true message of all that Jesus taught and DID is concealed from all those who do not have "eyes to see" or "ears to hear". Once you have been spiritually healed by Christ, the scriptures will open up to you...
  12. J

    Pre-destination and the elect

    Dear Tim, John 6:44 No man can come to me, except the Father which hath sent me draw him: and I will raise him up at the last day. 1Tim 2:4 Who will have all men to be saved, and to come unto the knowledge of the truth. Mankind does not merely have a "chance" of being saved but it is a...
  13. J

    Universal Reconciliation

    Dear Rach, Do you not know that everyone will be punished/judged? Only the true church is being judged at this time. Until we are judged, we will go on sinning. Judgment is a part of the salvation process. And yes, salvation is a long and painful process because we must die or be destroyed...
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    Universal Reconciliation

    [/size][/size][/size][/size][/font][/size][/font][/size][/font][/size][/font][/size][/font][/size][/font][/size][/font] Dear Justaname, You mentioned the wheat and the tares parable. That parable is concerning the kingdom of Heaven and the Kingdom of Heaven is within you. The wheat and the...
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    Pre-destination and the elect

    Dear MTPockets, The penalty of sin is death, it makes no difference if we are following the ways of Satan or Christ because we all have sinned. When we die, we are dead. There is no consciousness or knowledge of existence. We don't go anywhere but the grave. Until Christ resurrects us...
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    Pre-destination and the elect

    Dear Templar81, I forgot to mention that "hell" or "hades" in the Greek means the unseen place or the grave. The place of fire and torment that the church teaches is a fable. When we die, we are dead and go to the grave or hades. Upon resurrection of the lost, death and hades give up the dead...
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    Pre-destination and the elect

    Dear Templar81, Yes, the translation from Greek to English is poor at times. One word in particular causes serious harm. That word in Greek is "aionios". It is commonly translated as everlasting or eternal but that definition is erroneous and was added to accomodate church teachings. It's...
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    Universal Reconciliation

    Dear Jiggyfly, I have read the posts on this thread and see you are not having much success. Certainly, Christ is the Savior of the world. He will not fail to save even one person. The church is saved now during this age. But salvation is not limited to the church. The church is only the...
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    What is Trusting God, exactly?

    Dear jburic09032, We are ALL going to willingly choose to follow Him. But God is the cause of us willingly choosing to do so. He will not force us. Why do you not believe these verses? Jer 10:23 O LORD, I know that the way of man is not in himself: it is not in man that walketh to direct...
  20. J

    Pre-destination and the elect

    Dear Templar81, I have been posted for a few weeks now on this subject and those related to this subject. Please look at my posts in "What is trusting God exactly" and a few other recent threads. Your questions are key to understanding God and His plan for His creation. No one in the "church"...