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Righto Stan, So the point remains that the Scripture never indicates the need for the temple to be rebuilt. That need is a fabrication of the pretrib doctrine to give place for the anti-christ to be seated in a building rather than the hearts of man...2 Thess. 2. The need for the temple to be...

That's good to know your position. I will no longer address you as a pretribber. I see prewrath folk as disgruntled pretribbers that have come to the conclusion that the pretrib doctrine is a total fabrication. However, because of the massive indoctrination they cannot see the distinction...

I never stated that the temple could not be rebuilt. The fact remains such a building is a distraction from the true focus. The true temple of God is the hearts of men. To consider that God would desire a building, rather than the hearts of man belittles Him and places Him in a box.

harpazo is used 13 times in the new testament.... how true that it only refers to being taken (gathered together) to the Lord once in the Word. That doesn't change the fact that Darby needed a word to segregate the return of Christ into two and first popularized the word by using it in his book...

Wow! Did you even read what you are responding to? Try again!

The very word "rapture" for the use of eschatology was first coined by John Darby. That is a fact. The Word itself...."rapture" ....to describe "a" return of Christ. I am in no way stating that John Darby came up with the idea of multiple returns of Christ. Rather, I am stating that he...

You state: "Titus did not set himself up in the temple proclaiming to be God...." Did Titus need to do that? Absolutely not! 2 Thess. 2:4 Who opposeth and exalteth himself above all that is called God, or that is worshipped; so that he as God sitteth in the temple of God, shewing himself...

2 Tim. 2:23 "But refuse foolish and ignorant speculation, knowing that they produce quarrels." It is very obvious that quarrels have risen concerning this topic in the church. If the church were to actually take a stand against speculation and assumption, the pre-trib view would cease to exist...

Blessedhope has a point. In China the government church allows for just about anything to be taught in their appointed church. Three topics are not allowed, evangelism (especially to children), supernatural works of the saints (such as the book of Acts), and eschatology (Christ's return). You...

Please explain your second line. There is no 2nd resurrection being described in Revelation 20:4,5. Revelation specifically states the resurrection of the dead martyrs who didn't take the mark of the beast (Rev. 20:4) are in the "first" resurrection (Rev. 20:5) There is no "first" and...

The rich young ruler believed and received Jesus and what Jesus said. We know this because he went away sorrowful... see Luke 18:18. The disciples then asked Jesus... "who then can be saved?" John writes, "But as many as received him, to them gave he power to become the sons of God, even to...

So you DO believe that there are TWO "first" resurrections. The first of the two "first" resurrections do not complete it, as you say... without the second of the "first" two resurrections... As I thought, and the reason for the topic. So in effect you add to the book of Rev. by adding an...

Where you state: "so I would say your premise that the Second Resurrection "would include the tribulation saints who died for not taking the mark of the beast" is in error" Seems you ignored the Scripture Rev 20:4,5. It is this Scripture that is focused upon here not my paraphrase of it. You...

You state... And The coming day of wrath is actually a week of years, known as Daniel's 70th Week. (Dan. 9:24-27) We know that this was not already fulfilled... embolden mine. Let's not start at the place where massive brainwashing has taken place, as to assume that everybody knows something...

We know that 1 Cor. 15:42-54 tell us that the resurrection from the dead occurs in a twinkling of an eye/ We also know that 1 Thess. 4:16,17 also speak of this resurrection. The question remains: If the rapture and second coming are two separate events. According to this doctrine, the first...

It is true that the biggest part ended with the fall of Jerusalem, but it didn't end there. The end of the revolt continued until the fall of Masada in 73. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/First_Jewish–Roman_War http://www.preteristarchive.com/JewishWars/timeline_military.html Masada was very...

Daniel was not the first to use the term week. Enoch used it and for him in never meant 7 years.... more like 1000. In the Olivet discourse the disciples asked Jesus "When will these things be?" Referring to the destruction of the temple. In Mark and Luke, they do not continue to ask Jesus...

I'm a foundation guy. I've poured 1000's of yards of concrete as a profession. It is true, I do not have a critical eye for the window dressings, however, I wouldn't build a house on a foundation that isn't going to last. The foundation is what I see as critical. What has been ignored as...

With this account, several points are ignored.... The angel swears that time is no more....Rev. 10:6, The mystery of God is finish...vs. 7, John prophesies again last vs....Jesus rules and reigns forevermore...11:15, God rewards the righteous...11:18... and the dead, and that when He comes His...