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    1 Cor. 15:20-28

    RichardBurger, It was said: quote "What (or Who) the Church itself is, is Christ" Yes, but can you refute it from scripture. What does Scripture say? I did not say this but someone else did. The person that said this is saying their physical, man ran, organized church "is Christ." But now the...
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    1 Cor. 15:20-28

    Richardburger, Thaddaeus, I have never been on any forum on which a person has distorted what I believe in these multiple ways for their own purpose, and in the many ways you are doing it. I will no longer reply to you. It is senseless for me to continually to have to defend myself from your...
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    1 Cor. 15:20-28

    RichardBurger,Part II of II. Not being Catholic but I can let you know what the early Church did and what the Churches that make up Orthodoxy does and believes today. II Maccabees 12:39-45. This was written even before Christ was on this earth. this is a carryover from the OT. Again, your...
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    1 Cor. 15:20-28

    RichardBurger, except that has been recorded in history in every century since then. I have not claimed it as opinion. You have. There lies the first difference. But I can give you a lot of sources that you can use to verify what I am saying, including the Canons, the Liturgy, the Councils, the...
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    1 Cor. 15:20-28

    RichardBurger, Get over it! There is no way for anyone to defend their views to someone that will not accept anything that is said or referenced that is not called defending. That is called evangelization. You are simply putting forth your opinion, assertions, but give no evidence of those...
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    1 Cor. 15:20-28

    RichardBurger, Thanks for your opinion but, as you can see, I do not share it. I can see that, but I can also see that you are either unwilling or unable to defend your view? Why is that?
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    1 Cor. 15:20-28

    RichardBurger, So you are saying that the Holy Spirit gave all truth to the 12 Apostles. There was not anything that would be added to it. And then came Paul with a new gospel that was hidden in God and revealed to him (Paul). But you don't really believe Paul do you? There were several more...
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    1 Cor. 15:20-28

    Richardburger, The words in the Bible are meaningless unless there is a personal revelation of the Lord Jesus Christ. While it is true that without scripture there would be no Christianity, it can never replace the INWARD revelation of the Lord that leads to salvation through a relationship...
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    1 Cor. 15:20-28

    RichardBurger, It was said: "If Scripture is left to opinion it becomes meaningless. It becomes a faith of one person, and you will have as many faiths as there are people's opinion, which it has become today."I suppose each person should all take their beliefs and just shove them so that we can...
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    1 Cor. 15:20-28

    tim from pa, Fella, I have more scriptures than you can shake a stick at. But I'd be wasting my time trying to convince someone who can't make sense out of something that hits one straight in the face.As for verses like Jeremiah 22:30, passages in Ezekiel 17 and Ezekiel 21 that you use to...
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    1 Cor. 15:20-28

    RichardBurger, And in the end all you have is your opinion and of course it is the only one allowed so that you won't have to check to see if someone elses opinion is correct. My opinion matters nothing. It is how Scripture has always been understood from the beginning. If Scripture is left to...
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    1 Cor. 15:20-28

    RichardBurger, Thaddaeus, You are looking for scriptures that refute your scriptures. So, obviously you think it is good Bible study to make one scripture make another one false. Can't you see that this is wrong??? But that is the whole point. You will not find any that supports your view. It...
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    1 Cor. 15:20-28

    tim from pa, I take it that Thaddaeus is coming to us from a Preterist perspective and does not believe in anything future.In that case, I will not convince this person, neither will a swinging 20-pound bag of rocks.However, for those of us that do believe in a future, earthly reign of Christ...
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    1 Cor. 15:20-28

    Kriss, First thing we must notice is this says the EARTH not Heaven"I go [to heaven] to prepare a place for you” (14:2). Most assume Jesus is referring to preparing a place in heaven. Yet in the very next verse, Jesus said, “And if I go and prepare a place for you, I will come again [to the...
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    1 Cor. 15:20-28

    Kriss, baloney try reading revelation and where Gods kingdom will be Gods Kingdom is where he is. At that time it was heaven in the future its Earth and its dispensationalists that fit all pieces of the Word together instead of leave out what doesn't fit. All the other views tried to interpt...
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    1 Cor. 15:20-28

    RichardBurger, Using the word “now” leaves it open as to when it will be "from here". but the Greek does not mean what you want it to mean. It means more of, 'as it is". It also would refute the very direct statment Christ made just one phrase before. His Kingdom is not of this world, now or...
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    1 Cor. 15:20-28

    Richardburger, So, when God promised the Jews they would have a physical kingdom on this earth and that God's king would sit on David's throne in that kingdom, He really didn't mean it. He has changed His mind and will no longer cause it to happen. He never promised an earthly Kingdom. The...
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    1 Cor. 15:20-28

    Rank Stranger, See Revelation 20 to understand that there will be a thousand-year reign of Jesus (verse 4), and the Jews and others will serve Him during that time. Satan will be chained in the pit during this time, and will be released after its conclusion. The Bible says, "be loosed a little...
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    Apostasy

    tomwebster, Most of the Christian Church is Israel, real Israel. There are Gentile Christians in the Church also. there are no distinctions. We are all ONE in Christ. Gal 3:28.
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    Apostasy

    Kriss, If your saying the church replaced Israel I seriously disagree please explain the joining of the two sticks in Eze37 This is the joining together of Jew and gentile/12 tribes under Christ it has not happened yet and will not until Christ returns and joins the two sticks. These two nations...