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    Penal Substitution Theory and the presupposed (eisegesis) definition of מוּסָר in Isaiah 53:5

    Invoking heresy simply reveals how frustrated you are. It is a cheap veiled threat in which a person puts themselves in the judges seat. It is no wonder that those medieval theologians who invented PSA also suborned burning at the stake for heresy. The wrathful God obsession is a kind of...
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    Penal Substitution Theory and the presupposed (eisegesis) definition of מוּסָר in Isaiah 53:5

    Round and round it goes because the letter kills but the spirit gives life. Consider how many bad doctrines rest on the definition of a single solitary word divorced from historical context and married to medieval logic , translated from Greek to Latin to English from the cultural and...
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    Penal Substitution Theory and the presupposed (eisegesis) definition of מוּסָר in Isaiah 53:5

    So even though Christ is all the fulness of the deity in bodily form, God in heaven separated himself from God on earth thus dividing the Trinity? This same Paul said “God cannot deny himself” Would it not do less violence to the immutability of God to simply say Jesus was in fact all the...
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    Penal Substitution Theory and the presupposed (eisegesis) definition of מוּסָר in Isaiah 53:5

    Not sure if that was meant to be a point of agreement but it actually is. Check out the Fishhook theory of atonement. One of the earliest in existence dating back to first century. Long before PSA.
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    Penal Substitution Theory and the presupposed (eisegesis) definition of מוּסָר in Isaiah 53:5

    I would like to jump in here albeit very late in the discussion. I’d like to point out some things that I feel are compelling to this consideration. First of all there is a long held misnomer that God “abandoned” Jesus and turned his back on him at the cross. This is a favorite meme among many...