1 Peter 2:24 = Hebrews 13:8

[Behold]

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Lets open some great verses.

1 Peter 2:24

""" (Jesus) Who his own self bare our sins in his own body on the tree, that we, being dead to sins, should live unto righteousness: by whose stripes ye were healed." ...

1. Jesus is GOD.

So, God his own self bore your sins.
Which?
All of them. He didn't miss any.
So, who has them if God bore them, if God "became your sin" ?
Who has them?
Do you have them? Does Jesus have them?
If you still have sin..... If you HAVE IT.......not commit "works of the flesh"......not be a bad liitle girl or a bad little boy, but if you HAVE SIN......... then you are not born again.
So, again....
Who has it? Who HAS your sin?
Saint.....God has it, because God became it and bore it.
Final Answer.

Now what has happened to you, so that when you do something wrong, you have this always in play. = "Blessed is the person to whom GOD will not charge you with your sin".
Thats you if you are born again.
That is Roman's 4:8, and i paraphrased it slightly for emphasis.
And Why would God not charge you with your sin ever again?
Well, Saint, how can God charge you for them, when God Himself bore them and died for them all?
Can God justly charge you later, after you die..... for what He Himself has already resolved for you 2000 yrs ago on the Cross, on Earth?
No.
Never.
God does not judge Himself for you sin, and later after you are dead, judge you for the same.

2.) Notice next....>"dead to sins".

This means, you are relieved of Judgement for your sin, and delivered from the power of it.
"the power of sin, is the law", and you are no longer under the Law, you are "under Grace", if you are born again.
God's Grace is now your "Law", if you are born again.
God's Grace is now the "dominion" you are "under".
"you are not under the law, you are UNDER Grace"
Under its dominion.

Now here is the revelation that is a struggle to accept until you are truly mind renewed. Its this.
What use to be sin when you did it, when you were lost and under the law, is now, no longer charged to you if you do it now, and you will not be judged for it in Eternity.
Now that reality is sandpaper to the carnal mind in a carnal Christian who is trying to earn their way to heaven.

Next....

3.) Paul redefined "sin" as "works of the Flesh".

And he did this because only the LAW can define you as a sinner and sin as SIN.
See, when there is no Law, there is no Transgression, as there is no Means to define it as such.
So, once you are not under the law, then the Law can't define you or your deeds, ever again.
You are now defined by GRACE, and Grace never sees you as anything but RIGHTEOUS.
See.... when you were under the law, the law had the right to define you and your deeds, and once you are not under the law, (born again).... then you and your deeds are REDEFINED by being "under Grace".

Grace is now in charge as a dominion that you exit within, if you are born again.
So, the way it works is......sin is now just a work of the flesh, and the dominion of the law has no power over you, and cannot define you any longer as a sinner.
This is why the NT defines you as a SAINT.
Grace is GREATER then the Law, and it has authority over the Law, and it is become your dominion once you are born again, as its the RULE that operates the Kingdom of God.
You are IN THERE if you are born again. And in there, the rules and the idea about how you are defined in the Spirit Realm, are God's Spiritual rules, and you have to learn to see them and to see yourself as only being governed by them.
Now, all that was a bit of Christian Mysticism, and if it felt too good to be true, then just hold on to what you can see until you can see it ALL clearly as the revelation comes as your mind becomes more renewed by Truth.

4.) . "live unto righteousness"""".

This means that you are made eternally alive= as Spiritually One with God.
It does not mean you are to try to be good.
WE the born again, live AS the Righteousness of God, and unto this we were born again to be. This is our "one with God" place in Eternity, in God's family.
The born again are better then good, we are "the righteousness of God, in Christ"

5.) . "In Christ".

This means that we are born again INTO the Holy Spirit by the Holy Spirit. Our born again Spirit exists now as "ONE with God".... We are made Spiritually ALIVE, and joined to God, for eternity.
This is "eternal life" and it is not temporary.
Once you are born again, you are always born again.
This spiritual reality is where you exist LITERALLY, if you are born again, and the body and the earth and all you see, is not eternal reality. As it will all pass away, its all temporal..... And this is why you are told that you are in the world but not OF IT.
We are not "of it", we are just in it for a little while.
We are "OF" The Holy Spirit, "ONE with God". This is were we EXIT, Literally.
We are "translated from Darkness to LIGHT".....and that Light is GOD.
"ONE with God".
We exist IN the Kingdom of God while we live in a body on the earth, until we get our NEW body.

5. "By whose Stripes you WERE Healed""".

Why does it say "were healed". ??? Well, its because it happened for you 2000 yrs ago, but was applied later upon you.
So, you are made righteous and given eternal life, 2000 yrs ago, when God provided Salvation by The Cross and by the Blood of Christ.
You RECEIVED it , later. So, you WERE Healed, were saved, were made righteous by The Cross and the Blood and that was given 2000 yrs ago.
So, what was healed?
What was healed was your relationship with God.
The Cross took your sin away and God then allowed you to become "one with God".
Your relationship with God didn't exist until God reestablished it though His own Blood.
God's Blood did this for you 2000 yrs ago, and you received "the Gift of Salvation"< 2000 yrs after God provided it, Himself.

What is the end result?
This "healing" keeps on healing. This Blood of God, keeps on Saving You.
It never stops redeeming you.
Its a constant cleansing.
The reason Romans 4:8 says that your sin is gone, not charged to you, even if you are bad today, is because God's Blood continues to HEAL and SAVE and REDEEM, you.
God's Blood is greater than your sin., always.
"where sin is found, Grace more abounds".

And how do you know that God's blood keeps you saved, keeps you sinless, keeps you "in Christ"?
Its because its Christ who is the reason for it all.
He is the reason God took you back. He is the reason God will always keep you.
God's blood resolved all that was keeping you out of God's family, and this same Blood continues to do this for you, always and forever.
Jesus is the reason that God keeps you always.
Its that BLooD of Jesus that keeps on redeeming you, sanctifying you, justifying you.........yesterday and forever.

Hebrews 13:8

This verse says that Jesus is the same, yesterday, today, and forever.
So that means that what He causes, and what He does, also remains the same, yesterday, today, and forever.
So, this same Jesus, who bore your sin and made you right with God, .... this continues always...... as Jesus is the Same , yesterday, today, and forever.
Jesus is Salvation.
Jesus is God's Grace, and Jesus is the same, yesterday, today, and forever.
So, what He has provided for you, does not change.... not yesterday, not today, not forever.
The Blood of God, is Jesus providing to you "the gift of Righteousness" that God has accepted "yesterday, today, and forever".

 

[Robert Gwin]

-
Lets open some great verses.

1 Peter 2:24

""" (Jesus) Who his own self bare our sins in his own body on the tree, that we, being dead to sins, should live unto righteousness: by whose stripes ye were healed." ...

1. Jesus is GOD.

So, God his own self bore your sins.
Which?
All of them. He didn't miss any.
So, who has them if God bore them, if God "became your sin" ?
Who has them?
Do you have them? Does Jesus have them?
If you still have sin..... If you HAVE IT.......not commit "works of the flesh"......not be a bad liitle girl or a bad little boy, but if you HAVE SIN......... then you are not born again.
So, again....
Who has it? Who HAS your sin?
Saint.....God has it, because God became it and bore it.
Final Answer.

Now what has happened to you, so that when you do something wrong, you have this always in play. = "Blessed is the person to whom GOD will not charge you with your sin".
Thats you if you are born again.
That is Roman's 4:8, and i paraphrased it slightly for emphasis.
And Why would God not charge you with your sin ever again?
Well, Saint, how can God charge you for them, when God Himself bore them and died for them all?
Can God justly charge you later, after you die..... for what He Himself has already resolved for you 2000 yrs ago on the Cross, on Earth?
No.
Never.
God does not judge Himself for you sin, and later after you are dead, judge you for the same.

2.) Notice next....>"dead to sins".

This means, you are relieved of Judgement for your sin, and delivered from the power of it.
"the power of sin, is the law", and you are no longer under the Law, you are "under Grace", if you are born again.
God's Grace is now your "Law", if you are born again.
God's Grace is now the "dominion" you are "under".
"you are not under the law, you are UNDER Grace"
Under its dominion.

Now here is the revelation that is a struggle to accept until you are truly mind renewed. Its this.
What use to be sin when you did it, when you were lost and under the law, is now, no longer charged to you if you do it now, and you will not be judged for it in Eternity.
Now that reality is sandpaper to the carnal mind in a carnal Christian who is trying to earn their way to heaven.

Next....

3.) Paul redefined "sin" as "works of the Flesh".

And he did this because only the LAW can define you as a sinner and sin as SIN.
See, when there is no Law, there is no Transgression, as there is no Means to define it as such.
So, once you are not under the law, then the Law can't define you or your deeds, ever again.
You are now defined by GRACE, and Grace never sees you as anything but RIGHTEOUS.
See.... when you were under the law, the law had the right to define you and your deeds, and once you are not under the law, (born again).... then you and your deeds are REDEFINED by being "under Grace".

Grace is now in charge as a dominion that you exit within, if you are born again.
So, the way it works is......sin is now just a work of the flesh, and the dominion of the law has no power over you, and cannot define you any longer as a sinner.
This is why the NT defines you as a SAINT.
Grace is GREATER then the Law, and it has authority over the Law, and it is become your dominion once you are born again, as its the RULE that operates the Kingdom of God.
You are IN THERE if you are born again. And in there, the rules and the idea about how you are defined in the Spirit Realm, are God's Spiritual rules, and you have to learn to see them and to see yourself as only being governed by them.
Now, all that was a bit of Christian Mysticism, and if it felt too good to be true, then just hold on to what you can see until you can see it ALL clearly as the revelation comes as your mind becomes more renewed by Truth.

4.) . "live unto righteousness"""".

This means that you are made eternally alive= as Spiritually One with God.
It does not mean you are to try to be good.
WE the born again, live AS the Righteousness of God, and unto this we were born again to be. This is our "one with God" place in Eternity, in God's family.
The born again are better then good, we are "the righteousness of God, in Christ"

5.) . "In Christ".

This means that we are born again INTO the Holy Spirit by the Holy Spirit. Our born again Spirit exists now as "ONE with God".... We are made Spiritually ALIVE, and joined to God, for eternity.
This is "eternal life" and it is not temporary.
Once you are born again, you are always born again.
This spiritual reality is where you exist LITERALLY, if you are born again, and the body and the earth and all you see, is not eternal reality. As it will all pass away, its all temporal..... And this is why you are told that you are in the world but not OF IT.
We are not "of it", we are just in it for a little while.
We are "OF" The Holy Spirit, "ONE with God". This is were we EXIT, Literally.
We are "translated from Darkness to LIGHT".....and that Light is GOD.
"ONE with God".
We exist IN the Kingdom of God while we live in a body on the earth, until we get our NEW body.

5. "By whose Stripes you WERE Healed""".

Why does it say "were healed". ??? Well, its because it happened for you 2000 yrs ago, but was applied later upon you.
So, you are made righteous and given eternal life, 2000 yrs ago, when God provided Salvation by The Cross and by the Blood of Christ.
You RECEIVED it , later. So, you WERE Healed, were saved, were made righteous by The Cross and the Blood and that was given 2000 yrs ago.
So, what was healed?
What was healed was your relationship with God.
The Cross took your sin away and God then allowed you to become "one with God".
Your relationship with God didn't exist until God reestablished it though His own Blood.
God's Blood did this for you 2000 yrs ago, and you received "the Gift of Salvation"< 2000 yrs after God provided it, Himself.

What is the end result?
This "healing" keeps on healing. This Blood of God, keeps on Saving You.
It never stops redeeming you.
Its a constant cleansing.
The reason Romans 4:8 says that your sin is gone, not charged to you, even if you are bad today, is because God's Blood continues to HEAL and SAVE and REDEEM, you.
God's Blood is greater than your sin., always.
"where sin is found, Grace more abounds".

And how do you know that God's blood keeps you saved, keeps you sinless, keeps you "in Christ"?
Its because its Christ who is the reason for it all.
He is the reason God took you back. He is the reason God will always keep you.
God's blood resolved all that was keeping you out of God's family, and this same Blood continues to do this for you, always and forever.
Jesus is the reason that God keeps you always.
Its that BLooD of Jesus that keeps on redeeming you, sanctifying you, justifying you.........yesterday and forever.

Hebrews 13:8

This verse says that Jesus is the same, yesterday, today, and forever.
So that means that what He causes, and what He does, also remains the same, yesterday, today, and forever.
So, this same Jesus, who bore your sin and made you right with God, .... this continues always...... as Jesus is the Same , yesterday, today, and forever.
Jesus is Salvation.
Jesus is God's Grace, and Jesus is the same, yesterday, today, and forever.
So, what He has provided for you, does not change.... not yesterday, not today, not forever.
The Blood of God, is Jesus providing to you "the gift of Righteousness" that God has accepted "yesterday, today, and forever".

 

[Robert Gwin]

-
Lets open some great verses.

1 Peter 2:24

""" (Jesus) Who his own self bare our sins in his own body on the tree, that we, being dead to sins, should live unto righteousness: by whose stripes ye were healed." ...

1. Jesus is GOD.

So, God his own self bore your sins.
Which?
All of them. He didn't miss any.
So, who has them if God bore them, if God "became your sin" ?
Who has them?
Do you have them? Does Jesus have them?
If you still have sin..... If you HAVE IT.......not commit "works of the flesh"......not be a bad liitle girl or a bad little boy, but if you HAVE SIN......... then you are not born again.
So, again....
Who has it? Who HAS your sin?
Saint.....God has it, because God became it and bore it.
Final Answer.

Now what has happened to you, so that when you do something wrong, you have this always in play. = "Blessed is the person to whom GOD will not charge you with your sin".
Thats you if you are born again.
That is Roman's 4:8, and i paraphrased it slightly for emphasis.
And Why would God not charge you with your sin ever again?
Well, Saint, how can God charge you for them, when God Himself bore them and died for them all?
Can God justly charge you later, after you die..... for what He Himself has already resolved for you 2000 yrs ago on the Cross, on Earth?
No.
Never.
God does not judge Himself for you sin, and later after you are dead, judge you for the same.

2.) Notice next....>"dead to sins".

This means, you are relieved of Judgement for your sin, and delivered from the power of it.
"the power of sin, is the law", and you are no longer under the Law, you are "under Grace", if you are born again.
God's Grace is now your "Law", if you are born again.
God's Grace is now the "dominion" you are "under".
"you are not under the law, you are UNDER Grace"
Under its dominion.

Now here is the revelation that is a struggle to accept until you are truly mind renewed. Its this.
What use to be sin when you did it, when you were lost and under the law, is now, no longer charged to you if you do it now, and you will not be judged for it in Eternity.
Now that reality is sandpaper to the carnal mind in a carnal Christian who is trying to earn their way to heaven.

Next....

3.) Paul redefined "sin" as "works of the Flesh".

And he did this because only the LAW can define you as a sinner and sin as SIN.
See, when there is no Law, there is no Transgression, as there is no Means to define it as such.
So, once you are not under the law, then the Law can't define you or your deeds, ever again.
You are now defined by GRACE, and Grace never sees you as anything but RIGHTEOUS.
See.... when you were under the law, the law had the right to define you and your deeds, and once you are not under the law, (born again).... then you and your deeds are REDEFINED by being "under Grace".

Grace is now in charge as a dominion that you exit within, if you are born again.
So, the way it works is......sin is now just a work of the flesh, and the dominion of the law has no power over you, and cannot define you any longer as a sinner.
This is why the NT defines you as a SAINT.
Grace is GREATER then the Law, and it has authority over the Law, and it is become your dominion once you are born again, as its the RULE that operates the Kingdom of God.
You are IN THERE if you are born again. And in there, the rules and the idea about how you are defined in the Spirit Realm, are God's Spiritual rules, and you have to learn to see them and to see yourself as only being governed by them.
Now, all that was a bit of Christian Mysticism, and if it felt too good to be true, then just hold on to what you can see until you can see it ALL clearly as the revelation comes as your mind becomes more renewed by Truth.

4.) . "live unto righteousness"""".

This means that you are made eternally alive= as Spiritually One with God.
It does not mean you are to try to be good.
WE the born again, live AS the Righteousness of God, and unto this we were born again to be. This is our "one with God" place in Eternity, in God's family.
The born again are better then good, we are "the righteousness of God, in Christ"

5.) . "In Christ".

This means that we are born again INTO the Holy Spirit by the Holy Spirit. Our born again Spirit exists now as "ONE with God".... We are made Spiritually ALIVE, and joined to God, for eternity.
This is "eternal life" and it is not temporary.
Once you are born again, you are always born again.
This spiritual reality is where you exist LITERALLY, if you are born again, and the body and the earth and all you see, is not eternal reality. As it will all pass away, its all temporal..... And this is why you are told that you are in the world but not OF IT.
We are not "of it", we are just in it for a little while.
We are "OF" The Holy Spirit, "ONE with God". This is were we EXIT, Literally.
We are "translated from Darkness to LIGHT".....and that Light is GOD.
"ONE with God".
We exist IN the Kingdom of God while we live in a body on the earth, until we get our NEW body.

5. "By whose Stripes you WERE Healed""".

Why does it say "were healed". ??? Well, its because it happened for you 2000 yrs ago, but was applied later upon you.
So, you are made righteous and given eternal life, 2000 yrs ago, when God provided Salvation by The Cross and by the Blood of Christ.
You RECEIVED it , later. So, you WERE Healed, were saved, were made righteous by The Cross and the Blood and that was given 2000 yrs ago.
So, what was healed?
What was healed was your relationship with God.
The Cross took your sin away and God then allowed you to become "one with God".
Your relationship with God didn't exist until God reestablished it though His own Blood.
God's Blood did this for you 2000 yrs ago, and you received "the Gift of Salvation"< 2000 yrs after God provided it, Himself.

What is the end result?
This "healing" keeps on healing. This Blood of God, keeps on Saving You.
It never stops redeeming you.
Its a constant cleansing.
The reason Romans 4:8 says that your sin is gone, not charged to you, even if you are bad today, is because God's Blood continues to HEAL and SAVE and REDEEM, you.
God's Blood is greater than your sin., always.
"where sin is found, Grace more abounds".

And how do you know that God's blood keeps you saved, keeps you sinless, keeps you "in Christ"?
Its because its Christ who is the reason for it all.
He is the reason God took you back. He is the reason God will always keep you.
God's blood resolved all that was keeping you out of God's family, and this same Blood continues to do this for you, always and forever.
Jesus is the reason that God keeps you always.
Its that BLooD of Jesus that keeps on redeeming you, sanctifying you, justifying you.........yesterday and forever.

Hebrews 13:8

This verse says that Jesus is the same, yesterday, today, and forever.
So that means that what He causes, and what He does, also remains the same, yesterday, today, and forever.
So, this same Jesus, who bore your sin and made you right with God, .... this continues always...... as Jesus is the Same , yesterday, today, and forever.
Jesus is Salvation.
Jesus is God's Grace, and Jesus is the same, yesterday, today, and forever.
So, what He has provided for you, does not change.... not yesterday, not today, not forever.
The Blood of God, is Jesus providing to you "the gift of Righteousness" that God has accepted "yesterday, today, and forever".

May I ask you to explain a couple of things to me sir, why did Jesus say God sent him, and if Jesus is God, then why did he lie at Mk 10:40 and 13:32? What hope can we have if he is God?

 

[Behold]

May I ask you to explain a couple of things to me sir, why did Jesus say God sent him, and if Jesus is God, then why did he lie at Mk 10:40 and 13:32? What hope can we have if he is God?

"""""But to sit on my right hand and on my left hand is not mine to give; but it shall be given to them for whom it is prepared."""


Notice....>"for whom it is prepared"...

So this means that its already decided, before the question was asked, who will be those persons.
So, Christ is answering it as....."this is not going to be changed", so, what will be, is already decided.

Think of it like this...Robert.
There is Man's Free will, and there is God's will.
The Bible is the event calendar regarding TIME ....., and these events are God's to create and control, and those dont change.
And then, there is man's freewill, and God allows this to happen, as freewill isn't free, unless its allowed by the One who created free will.

And ....

""""
32 But of that day and that hour knoweth no man, no, not the angels which are in heaven, neither the Son, but the Father.""""

This one can seem complicated but its not really.
Let me show you this...
In the Garden, when Jesus was sweating blood trying to deal with His "Passion" that was beginning....
That is to say, the full weight of what was coming to him was beyond horrible to bear.
He was under, as a human being, such pressure, such stress, knowing what was coming, that trying to bear it as our redeemer caused blood vessels in his face to burst and blood ran like tears...
And notices that Jesus said...>"Father, not MY WILL< ..... but YOURS be done"..
Robert, that is 2 wills, yet, Both are God.
So, while God is Christ, Christ was become a human, and in this, we find that this knowledge of the 2nd coming, is not known.
After Jesus who is God, was resurrected by the Spirit who is God....Christ was then restored again as King of Glory, vs, being the Lamb-man slain on earth , and that is why the NT says that "all power is now given Him, in Heaven and on Earth".
So, the God-Man, had some limitations down here, that had to be, so that he could literally as a MAN perform what had to be performed as a Man to redeem mankind......= so that the world could be redeemed by God in THE Flesh.

So, Robert, Jesus's limitations as a MAN, prevented Him from knowing , at that time.....on earth, what He knows NOW that He is restored to his principal position in Heaven.

 

[Wrangler]

Jesus is not God. Jesus is the servant of God. NOTE: God, in his unitarian nature, chose and sent Jesus to suffer, a prophet who God put his words in. See Deuteronomy 18:15-18. The man-is-God thesis is not found in Scripture. It is a 4th century man-made construct.


18 God was at work in all this, fulfilling what He had predicted through all the prophets—that the Anointed One would suffer. 19 So now you need to rethink everything and turn to God so your sins will be forgiven and a new day can dawn, days of refreshing times flowing from the Lord. 20 Then God may send Jesus the Anointed, whom God has chosen for you. 21 He is in heaven now and must remain there until the day of universal restoration comes—the restoration which in ancient times God announced through the holy prophets. 22 Moses, for example, said, “The Eternal One your God will raise up from among your people a prophet who will be like me. You must listen to Him. 23 And whoever does not listen to His words will be completely uprooted from among the people.
Acts 3:18-23 (Voice)

 

[Robert Gwin]

"""""But to sit on my right hand and on my left hand is not mine to give; but it shall be given to them for whom it is prepared."""


Notice....>"for whom it is prepared"...

So this means that its already decided, before the question was asked, who will be those persons.
So, Christ is answering it as....."this is not going to be changed", so, what will be, is already decided.

Think of it like this...Robert.
There is Man's Free will, and there is God's will.
The Bible is the event calendar regarding TIME ....., and these events are God's to create and control, and those dont change.
And then, there is man's freewill, and God allows this to happen, as freewill isn't free, unless its allowed by the One who created free will.

And ....

""""
32 But of that day and that hour knoweth no man, no, not the angels which are in heaven, neither the Son, but the Father.""""

This one can seem complicated but its not really.
Let me show you this...
In the Garden, when Jesus was sweating blood trying to deal with His "Passion" that was beginning....
That is to say, the full weight of what was coming to him was beyond horrible to bear.
He was under, as a human being, such pressure, such stress, knowing what was coming, that trying to bear it as our redeemer caused blood vessels in his face to burst and blood ran like tears...
And notices that Jesus said...>"Father, not MY WILL< ..... but YOURS be done"..
Robert, that is 2 wills, yet, Both are God.
So, while God is Christ, Christ was become a human, and in this, we find that this knowledge of the 2nd coming, is not known.
After Jesus who is God, was resurrected by the Spirit who is God....Christ was then restored again as King of Glory, vs, being the Lamb-man slain on earth , and that is why the NT says that "all power is now given Him, in Heaven and on Earth".
So, the God-Man, had some limitations down here, that had to be, so that he could literally as a MAN perform what had to be performed as a Man to redeem mankind......= so that the world could be redeemed by God in THE Flesh.

So, Robert, Jesus's limitations as a MAN, prevented Him from knowing , at that time.....on earth, what He knows NOW that He is restored to his principal position in Heaven.

I truly appreciate your taking the time to respond and explain your position sir. The selection of those "holy ones" had not yet began, and in truth they are not even "sealed" as of yet. When the anointed are fully gathered and sealed, then the 4 angels will be released and the great tribulation will start. Rev 7 If they had started, John the Baptist would have went to heaven. Until Jesus died, people hadn't been ransomed.

As concerning the secondary part, you acknowledge that Jehovah (Father) and Jesus are separate yet God. There is no doubt that Jesus was a Divine being prior to coming to earth, even being referred to as a god. All spirit sons of God would be. One can realize that exactness is a facet of God, by examining His law covenant. Eye for Eye, tooth for tooth, soul for soul, etc. Adam was a perfect human, who lost life for the human race, whereas Jesus was exactly his counterpart for ransom, a perfect human to be offered in sacrifice for redemption, a corresponding ransom.
Jesus had a God sir, whereas Jehovah is recorded as having no gods before Him, 1st and biggest of the ten commandments.

Likely you feel that Jesus is equal to the Father, but that is not the case, although he was God's spokesman from the beginning of God's works, he was not given the #2 position until he returned to heaven to sit at the right hand of God, which means position. 1 Cor 11:3 It was then that he was given all authority over heaven and earth Mat 28:18

 

[Pearl]

What hope can we have if he is God?

What can we have if he isn't?

 

[Wrangler]

he was not given the #2 position until he returned to heaven to sit at the right hand of God

You do realize a prerequisite to sitting at the right hand of God is that being cannot be God, right?

 

[Pearl]

You do realize a prerequisite to sitting at the right hand of God is that being cannot be God, right?

John 1:1-3, 14
1 In the beginning (before all things) was the Word (Jesus), and the Word (Jesus) was with God, and the Word (Jesus) was God. He was with God in the beginning. Through him all things were made; without him nothing was made that has been made. In him was life, and that life was the light of all mankind.

14 The Word (Jesus) became flesh and made his dwelling among us. We have seen his glory, the glory of the one and only Son, who came from the Father, full of grace and truth.

 

[Behold]

I truly appreciate your taking the time to respond and explain your position sir. The selection of those "holy ones" had not yet began, and in truth they are not even "sealed" as of yet.

As concerning the secondary part, you acknowledge that Jehovah (Father) and Jesus are separate yet God. There is no doubt that Jesus was a Divine being prior to coming to earth,

Likely you feel that Jesus is equal to the Father,

Are you a JW or a Mormon?

So, regardig being "sealed", = Im sealed. All the born again are sealed.
Are you born again ???????, if not, you are not sealed, you are damned.
John 3:36

Here is the thing.
Jesus said of Himself that He's God. So, take your argument there. Take it to God Himself, who is Jesus.

If you are familiar with Thomas, one of the Apostles..
Well, after Christ was resurrected, He appeared to Thomas, and Thomas kneeled before Jesus as said.... "my Lord and my GOD".
And what is interesting about that? That you need to know? Is this......>Jesus didn't correct him.

 

[justbyfaith]

1Jo 1:8, If we say that we have no sin, we deceive ourselves, and the truth is not in us.

 

[Behold]

1Jo 1:8, If we say that we have no sin, we deceive ourselves, and the truth is not in us.

Yes, if a non-born again person, says they have no sin, then the truth is not in them.

If a born again person claims they have "sin", then they are not born again.

Try to understand that "having sin", is to be unforgiven of your sin, by Jesus.
This is not the same as committing a lust, or a carnal deed, or a "work of the flesh".

Again, try to realize that not all verses are speaking to a born again person, in the verse.
You dont understand this, and this is one of the main issues you have with the New Testament.
You cannot "rightly divide".

 

[justbyfaith]

Yes, if a non-born again person, says they have no sin, then the truth is not in them.

If a born again person claims they have "sin", then they are not born again.

Try to understand that "having sin", is to be unforgiven of your sin, by Jesus.
This is not the same as committing a lust, or a carnal deed, or a "work of the flesh".

Again, try to realize that not all verses are speaking to a born again person, in the verse.
You dont understand this, and this is one of the main issues you have with the New Testament.
You cannot "rightly divide".

Phl 3:20, For our conversation is in heaven; from whence also we look for the Saviour, the Lord Jesus Christ:
Phl 3:21, Who shall change our vile body, that it may be fashioned like unto his glorious body, according to the working whereby he is able even to subdue all things unto himself.

No getting around it...our bodies are vile...here is sin dwelling within our mortal flesh; whether we are a believer or an unbeliever.

And no, I am not the one who isn't "rightly dividing" here.

 

[Behold]

No getting around it...our bodies are vile...here is sin dwelling within our mortal flesh

You are not born again? or you just dont understand anything about spiritual rebirth.
Is it both?

Listen, a born again person is not their "flesh", as you are teaching...... so, Paul told us that this OLD MAN, that you are renting about, is DEAD.
But not to you.....

So, the "mortal flesh", is not the MIND, ... understand? And the "mortal flesh", is not the Born Again Spirit.
The "Mortal flesh" is your body that is going to be replaced.

 

[justbyfaith]

Listen, a born again person is not their "flesh", as you are teaching......

The apostles Paul wasn't born again when he wrote this?

Rom 7:18, For I know that in me (that is, in my flesh,) dwelleth no good thing: for to will is present with me; but how to perform that which is good I find not.

 

[justbyfaith]

2Ti 2:15, Study to shew thyself approved unto God, a workman that needeth not to be ashamed, rightly dividing the word of truth.

 

[keithr]

If a born again person claims they have "sin", then they are not born again.

Try to understand that "having sin", is to be unforgiven of your sin, by Jesus.
This is not the same as committing a lust, or a carnal deed, or a "work of the flesh".

1 John 2:1 (TLV): My children, I am writing these things to you so that you will not sin. But if anyone does sin, we have an Intercessor with the Father—the righteous Messiah Yeshua.

Anyone who is begotten again can still commit sins, for "As it is written, “There is no one righteous; no, not one”" (Romans 3:10). But Jesus is our advocate, who intercedes to God for us.

1 John 1:7-10 (WEB):

7) But if we walk in the light, as he is in the light, we have fellowship with one another, and the blood of Jesus Christ, his Son, cleanses us from all sin.
8) If we say that we have no sin, we deceive ourselves, and the truth is not in us.
9) If we confess our sins, he is faithful and righteous to forgive us the sins, and to cleanse us from all unrighteousness.
10) If we say that we haven’t sinned, we make him a liar, and his word is not in us.​

We are not perfect yet, we are not sinless yet. We won't be until we are resurrected (born again), when we will then be given a perfect, immortal spirit body.

 

[justbyfaith]

1 John 2:1 (TLV): My children, I am writing these things to you so that you will not sin. But if anyone does sin, we have an Intercessor with the Father—the righteous Messiah Yeshua.

Anyone who is begotten again can still commit sins, for "As it is written, “There is no one righteous; no, not one”" (Romans 3:10). But Jesus is our advocate, who intercedes to God for us.

1 John 1:7-10 (WEB):

7) But if we walk in the light, as he is in the light, we have fellowship with one another, and the blood of Jesus Christ, his Son, cleanses us from all sin.
8) If we say that we have no sin, we deceive ourselves, and the truth is not in us.
9) If we confess our sins, he is faithful and righteous to forgive us the sins, and to cleanse us from all unrighteousness.
10) If we say that we haven’t sinned, we make him a liar, and his word is not in us.​

We are not perfect yet, we are not sinless yet. We won't be until we are resurrected (born again), when we will then be given a perfect, immortal spirit body.

We are not without indwelling sin;

However that element of sin, dwelling within us, can be rendered dead (Romans 6:6, Galatians 5:24, Romans 7:8) so that it no longer has any say over our behaviour (Romans 6:14)...

So that, while we are not sinless, we can be perfect (Hebrews 10:14 (kjv), Philippians 2:15, Colossians 1:28, Colossians 4:12).

 

[Behold]

The apostles Paul wasn't born again when he wrote this?

Rom 7:18, For I know that in me (that is, in my flesh,) dwelleth no good thing: for to will is present with me; but how to perform that which is good I find not.

You quoted only part of the chapter, one verse, and twisted it, and left out where Paul explains that he learned how to walk in Christ's victory.
You did that, because you're a deceiver who avoids context, and quotes parts of a verse, or leaves out following verses that explain the truth.
See, you only use what fits your theological rot, which is typical of your type.

See, the rest of what Paul says is that he got past that, and learned how to have Victory all the time, which is the fullness of his teaching, that i teach.

He simply learned to realize that his FLESH was dead, and that is why he tells you to 'reckon it dead".

Once you learn how to do this, you'll at least have understood this basic principle of Christianity.

 

[Behold]

We are not perfect yet, we are not sinless yet. We won't be until we are resurrected (born again), when we will then be given a perfect, immortal spirit body.

You adjusted some words in your verses, that are your theology.
Dont do that.
Just paste the verses, as they dont need you to edit or slant them, in the direction of your cult.

Its like this..
WE are perfectly righteous., as the born again.
There is no sin found in Righteousness.
And because we are not under the law, the law can't define you as a sinner, if you are born again.

"If any man sin", is a sinner sinning.

We, have an advocate.... "WE" is every human being".....and that Advocate is Jesus.
The sinner sins, and the born again are made righteous.
Try not to confuse that.

Go here:
No sin in the Born Again