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1 Thes 4: 13ff

Discussion in 'Bible Study Forum' started by tomwebster, Feb 25, 2009.

  1. tomwebster

    tomwebster New Member

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    Let's take a look at 1 Thes 41Th 4:1 Furthermore then we beseech you, brethren, and exhort you by the Lord Jesus, that as ye have received of us how ye ought to walk and to please God, so ye would abound more and more. 1Th 4:2 For ye know what commandments we gave you by the Lord Jesus. 1Th 4:3 For this is the will of God, even your sanctification, that ye should abstain from fornication: 1Th 4:4 That every one of you should know how to possess his vessel in sanctification and honour; 1Th 4:5 Not in the lust of concupiscence, even as the Gentiles which know not God: 1Th 4:6 That no man go beyond and defraud his brother in any matter: because that the Lord is the avenger of all such, as we also have forewarned you and testified. 1Th 4:7 For God hath not called us unto uncleanness, but unto holiness. 1Th 4:8 He therefore that despiseth, despiseth not man, but God, who hath also given unto us his holy Spirit. 1Th 4:9 But as touching brotherly love ye need not that I write unto you: for ye yourselves are taught of God to love one another. 1Th 4:10 And indeed ye do it toward all the brethren which are in all Macedonia: but we beseech you, brethren, that ye increase more and more; 1Th 4:11 And that ye study to be quiet, and to do your own business, and to work with your own hands, as we commanded you; 1Th 4:12 That ye may walk honestly toward them that are without, and that ye may have lack of nothing. Our subject begins here at vs 13 and ends at Ch 5: 11 We are "not ... to be ignorant, brethren, concerning them which are asleep, that ye sorrow not, even as others which have no hope. "1Th 4:13 But I would not have you to be ignorant, brethren, concerning them which are asleep, that ye sorrow not, even as others which have no hope. 1Th 4:14 For if we believe that Jesus died and rose again, even so them also which sleep in Jesus will God bring with him. 1Th 4:15 For this we say unto you by the word of the Lord, that we which are alive and remain unto the coming of the Lord shall not prevent(G5348) them which are asleep. G5348φθάνωphthanōfthan'-oApparently a primary verb; to be beforehand, that is, anticipate or precede; by extension to have arrived at: - (already) attain, come, prevent. We will not go before them because they are in Heaven with the Lord all ready. (Read Eccl 12 to see what happens when the "silver cord is loosed." When we die our flesh bodies go into the ground, never again to be used. They decay, root away, not needed any more, they do NOT come up out of the ground again.)1Th 4:16 For the Lord himself shall descend from heaven with a shout, with the voice of the archangel, and with the trump of God: and the dead in Christ shall rise first: the dead in Christ rise first because the soul of those that have died have all ready gone to be in Heaven.1Th 4:17 Then we which are alive and remain shall be caught up(G726) G726ἁρπάζωharpazōhar-pad'-zoFrom a derivative of G138; to seize (in various applications): - catch (away, up), pluck, pull, take (by force)G138αἱρέομαιaihreomaihahee-reh'-om-aheeProbably akin to G142; to take for oneself, that is, to prefer. Some of the forms are borrowed from a cognate (ἕλλομαι hellomai), which is otherwise obsolete: - choose. Some of the forms are borrowed from a cognate hellomai, hel-lom-ahee; which is otherwise obsolete.G142αἴρωairōah'ee-roA primary verb; to lift; by implication to take up or away; figuratively to raise (the voice), keep in suspense (the mind); specifically to sail away (that is, weigh anchor); by Hebraism (compare [H5375]) to expiate sin: - away with, bear (up), carry, lift up, loose, make to doubt, put away, remove, take (away, up).H5375נסה נשׂאnâśâ' nâsâhnaw-saw', naw-saw'A primitive root; to lift, in a great variety of applications, literally and figuratively, absolutely and relatively: - accept, advance, arise, (able to, [armour], suffer to) bear (-er, up), bring (forth), burn, carry (away), cast, contain, desire, ease, exact, exalt (self), extol, fetch, forgive, furnish, further, give, go on, help, high, hold up, honourable (+ man), lade, lay, lift (self) up, lofty, marry, magnify, X needs, obtain, pardon, raise (up), receive, regard, respect, set (up), spare, stir up, + swear, take (away, up), X utterly, wear, yield.together with them in the cloudsG3507, G3507νεφέληnephelēnef-el'-ayFrom G3509; properly cloudiness, that is, (concretely) a cloud: - cloud.G3509νέφοςnephosnef'-osApparently a primary word; a cloud: - cloud.Heb 12:1 Wherefore seeing we also are compassed about with so great a cloud(G3509) of witnesses, let us lay aside every weight, and the sin which doth so easily beset us, and let us run with patience the race that is set before us, This "cloud" is "the great a cloud(G3509) of witnesses" Paul talks about in Hebrews. It is not the SKY.to meet the Lord in the air(G109): and so shall we ever be with the Lord. G109ἀήρaērah-ayr'From ἄημι aēmi (to breathe unconsciously, that is, respire; by analogy to blow); “air” (as naturally circumambient): - air. This is again not talking about the sky but about a breath of air, it is our spiritual body, simular to the Hebrew word "rûach."1Th 4:18 Wherefore comfort one another with these words. Again though, the primary subject of this text is "Where are the dead."
  2. watchman

    watchman New Member

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    I agree the point of this text is the resurrection of the dead in Christ the catching away of the saints is a parathetical issue at best. ''The Blessed Hope'' that pretribbers love to talk about, is not the pretrib rapture, The Blessed Hope is that the dead in Christ will be raised immortal when Christ returns.