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1948 Or 1967

Discussion in 'Christian Debate Forum' started by Polar, May 20, 2009.

  1. Deadwheat1224

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    "So in my opinion, I find your statement rather absurd. "Don't get me wrong... End times is one of my favorite theological topics. And i realize that my statement taken as is was rather absurd. Let me clarify: I think trying to pinpoint the exact year or date is superflous. I believe rather that we should be aware that the end is relatively at hand and thus should live our lives in preparation. People have been saying that they're generation is the last since the time of the Apostles, and obviously all have been wrong. Yes we are closer not than ever to the Parousia, but that doesn't mean necessarily that any of us will see it in our lifetime. That's my two cents...Just to comment though: Many people think the date of the end is December 23, 2012.
     
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  3. Tombstone

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    Now that we have established that you find his statement absurd, do you have any thoughts on the 70 year timeline?
     
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  5. Tombstone

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    I will absolutely check that link.Thank you very much for your input, all of you.My opinion is that I don't see the frenetic activity I assumed would be going on during this approaching date, but it may be taking place on the spiritual level.I am not looking "for the day or hour" but I am seeking something that would indicate that window is closing at a 70 year pace or a 120 year pace.What can I say? I want what I want lol
     
  6. Christina

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    Hi Christina and everyone, it has been a while since my last post. I appreciate access to your websight. It's great to pose a question or thought and get such quick response! I had a reply typed up and when I went to submit it I had to log on again and of coarse lost my reply. Guess I was typing too long. Luke 21:29 doesn't seem to put as much emphasis on the fig tree; is it possible that when Jesus said: "this generation shall not pass"; that he was speaking of the entire 2nd age? It just seems to me that when we use either year: 1948 or 1967 we are trying to fix a date and the word tells us that know one knows the time but the Father.Then some will say that this is just setting the season; but like in Luke 21:29 he says: "Behold the fig tree, and all the trees"; when their leaves shoot forth we recognize summer is near; so likewise when these things start happening, recognize that the end is near. Looking for help :) Thanks,dewey
     
  8. Christina

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    Hi dewy When you log in click remember me and it wont time out like that Now for your question Luke is not making it less important at all Behold the fig tree, and all the trees, I see him stating a fact of Nature, that like all trees, it must be planted/replanted before they shoot forth leaves..... He still singles out the fig tree and puts emphasis on it the Word Behold is important to note in scripture it always denotes importance When you have three wittiness's to a certain thing ..As Mathew, Mark, and Luke often do you get three slightly different views of a thing. We see this in their other views of events. And this lends itself to their credibility ..Just as today if three separate people were giving you their view of something ..You would have three separate versions of the same event.Were they just word for word repeats, one would be hard pressed to believe they were copying a thing from a single source. So what we see here is simply three different witness to a single event ..each in their own words. Remember we are told in the mouth of two or three wittiness's a thing shall be established. Now as far as a Generation this is an area where so many go astray while interpreting scripture ..They want to read their own meanings into words ...instead of just letting God tell us ....God has told what he deems a generation in his Word and there are three 40,70, 120 (100) ..All this does as the parable states is tell us the season We are to know the season(generation) and be watchman knowing the season and which generation he will come is not the same as knowing the hour and the day. the Book says know one knows the hour or the day but God ... We are told when we see these things coming to pass we are to know that our redemption draws near. We are to know this season/Generation 31So likewise ye, when ye see these things come to pass, know ye that the kingdom of God is nigh at hand.God never says this will occur on exactly the 70th year only sometime during that generation it could be year 67 of the generation. Think of it this way if I tell you I am coming to visit you sometime in my life time ..Do you know on what day and hour to expect me at your door? hope this helps
     
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  10. dewey

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    Thanks Christina you have helped.And I agree Armourbeaer, We should all live our lives in preparation for Christ's return. Thanks!
     
  11. Adstar

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    [quote name='Polar;68849]This has been rattling around in my head for the last couple of days so I thought I would throw it out there to see what people think...I saw two gentlemen discussing when they thought 'the last generation' began. One was insistent that it began in 1948 with the birth of Israel.The other was equally insistent when he said it began in 1967 with the retaking of eastern Jerusalem from Jordan and the reuniting of the city.I would like your thoughts on this.I do however have one request:When you chose to include scripture to support your thoughts or to refute someone else's' date=' for the love of all that is good, pure, and holy PLEASE ensure that it is relevant...to...the...topic...at...hand.I have invited others to come and see this site and their first comment upon looking at some of the threads is almost always, "Why do they post so many scripture verses that have little or anything to do with the topic of the thread?" Volume does not = value.Thank you in advance, and again I look forward to hearing your thoughts.[/QUOTE']This implys that the either the date of the foundation of isreal or the date of the capture of jerusalem are sold foundations to build the last generation on.Maybe they are not.All Praise The Ancient Of Days
     
  12. Christina

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    I suggest you learn the parable of the fig tree for a better understanding of this subject. If you are of the belief that for the first time in 1900 years that Israel again becoming a nation was not of Gods doing. I dont know what you call it. Sense to finish this age it had to be reborn as it was written. God says to learn the parable in fact its the only parable he says this about. Also notice the placement of the parable. What is the subject of the chapter it is in? The signs of the End of the age. Here is but one study http://www.christianityboard.com/showthread.php?t=2471
     
  13. Adstar

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    Hello Christina
    I am very careful as to what i call it. But it is good to know that in these end times the forces of the Anti-Christ will bring forth a great deception. That if it wasn't for the leading of the holy Spirit the very elect would be decieved. I looked at your link. But i found it very hard to read with all the text format code showing. All Praise The Ancient Of Days
     
  14. Martin W.

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    You make a good point Adstar and you may very well be correct.The biggest thing that happened since 1948 is that the Christian Church started to pay attention to Israel (in prophecy) again. Maybe we have been too enthusiastic and are trying to make everything fit into our generation.Previous to 1948 many in the church had pretty much written off Israel and often tried to make the claim the "Church" represented "Israel" in prophecy.Not everyone made that mistake. I have a collection of work by good scholars (pre 1948) who always made the case that a Nation of Israel must again come into existence for prophecy to be fulfilled. They were correct but at the time they were not taken seriously. Israel was a long forgotten memory from 2000 years ago.May we all become good scholars like them.Best regardsMartin W.
     
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    Sorry about the link the software upgrade caused this tyo occur heres an outline of the subject that may help http://biblestudy.madmooseforum.com/viewtopic.php?t=17
     
  16. Christina

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    I agree many scholars before and after 1948 understood well that Israel/Jerusalem had to be restored for the end times events to take place and God himself told us this in the Parable of the fig tree He also told us Behold I shall make Jerusalem a burdensome stone ... This could not have occured before 1948 and Israel became a state ... Israel/Jerusalem is our barometer to End time events we are to watch it to know the season we are in ...
     
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    Is there something significant about posts that have a five line paragraph between each sentence?
     
  18. Adstar

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    What post are you refering to?All Praise The Ancient of Days
     
  19. PropphecyStudent

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    I saw this topic title when viewing what others were reading, and thought I'd provide a perspective which wasn't previously presented.



    [sup]10 [/sup]The days of our lives are seventy years;
    And if by reason of strength they are eighty years,
    Yet their boast is only labor and sorrow;
    For it is soon cut off, and we fly away.


    One post did identify the founding of the nation of Israel as 1948 which is not correct. For who can coalesce a territory, assemble a people, write a constitution, and receive international recognition in one day or even one year? And so I would observe that the nation of Israel was not conceived in 1948, but rather in 1924, -- a Scripturally supported year.

    However, it was indeed recognized in 1948 and if Psalms 90:10 provides a more correct duration for one generation (versus the 40 years per Job 42:16), then we arrive to the year 2018, -- which I would propose is also a Scripturally supported year.


    And of course it goes without saying that there are many other aspects which can be considered which might reinforce this interpretation, but I will leave the question answered as simply as it was asked.



    PropphecyStudent
     
  20. veteran

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    Jesus revealed with the parable of the fig tree that His return would occur prior to the last generation ending. He didn't say specifically it would be at a certain year when the last generation is to kick the bucket per the end of a given life-span of time.
     
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