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  1. H. Richard

    H. Richard Well-Known Member

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    It is a common error for religious preachers/teachers to assume that the Pauline Gospel of Grace should be blended in with what Jesus and the 11 preached. I feel this is a deadly error that will send many to Hell.

    Gal 1:8 NKJV
    8 But even if we, or an angel from heaven, preach any other gospel to you than what we have preached to you, let him be accursed.

    It is a fact that God has given humankind different requirements down through history. The Pauline Gospel of salvation by faith in what God did on the cross (His shed blood) is without precedence in the scriptures. When a person fails to see this they will always blend the Law of Moses (what Jesus and the 11 taught to the Jews) with grace and destroy both of them. Paul warned about this in Rom. 2:16 and Rom 16:25.

    Rom 2:16 NKJV
    16 in the day when God will judge the secrets of men by Jesus Christ, according to my gospel.

    Rom 16:25 NKJV
    25 Now to Him who is able to establish you according to my gospel and the preaching of Jesus Christ, according to the revelation of the mystery kept secret since the world began.

    It is clear that Jesus Christ, by His own words, did not come to minister to the Gentiles, nor was His message "the kingdom gospel" sent to the Gentiles. He did not offer the promised "kingdom of heaven" to the Gentiles. The following scriptures support this fact.

    Matt 10:5-7 (NKJ)
    5 These twelve Jesus sent out and commanded them, saying: "Do not go into the way of the Gentiles, and do not enter a city of the Samaritans.
    6 "But go rather to the lost sheep of the house of Israel.
    7 "And as you go, preach, saying, 'The kingdom of heaven is at hand.'

    Matt 15:23-24 (NKJ)
    23 But He answered her not a word. And His disciples came and urged Him, saying, "Send her away, for she cries out after us."
    24 But He answered and said, "I was not sent except to the lost sheep of the house of Israel."

    Paul said: Rom 15:8 (NKJ)
    8 Now I say that Jesus Christ was a minister of the circumcision for the truth of God, to confirm the promises made unto the fathers:

    Note that in Matt 10:5-7 and Matt 15:23-24 Jesus said He did not come EXCEPT to the house of Israel. Jesus came to confirm/fulfill all the promises God made to the Jews that were written about Him in the O.T. His mission was to the Jews, not to the Gentiles. This is what Paul meant in Rom 15:8 above.

    IMPORTANT NOTE: -- This is not to say that God did not have another purpose for Jesus' death on the cross. But that purpose was “hidden in God” and revealed to Paul on the road to Damascus by Jesus. (Eph 3:9). The church for this age of grace (the Church of His body) started when Paul preached the gospel of grace that was given to him by Jesus.

    It is my obligation/burden to try and make people see this terrible error.

    H Richard
     
  2. Episkopos

    Episkopos Well-Known Member

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    To hell, you say...:eek:
    You are supporting a different gospel...and in the very danger you are warning others about.

    Paul taught the gospel of the kingdom of God which is also called the gospel of Christ or the gospel of God.

    Acts 28:23 And when they had appointed him a day, there came many to him into his lodging; to whom he expounded and testified the kingdom of God, persuading them concerning Jesus, both out of the law of Moses, and out of the prophets, from morning till evening.24 And some believed the things which were spoken, and some believed not.

    Acts 28:30 And Paul dwelt two whole years in his own hired house, and received all that came in unto him,
    31 Preaching the kingdom of God, and teaching those things which concern the Lord Jesus Christ, with all confidence, no man forbidding him.


    There is only One Gospel.

    All other declarations to the contrary is what Paul warned people about. Don't be fooled. There is NO way that Paul taught different gospels. If he did...then he would never have said...if anyone comes preaching a "different gospel"....meaning that there is but one gospel...the gospel of Christ according to grace regarding the kingdom of God.


    ...and to teach that error...
     
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    GodsGrace Well-Known Member

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    I've never understood your position very well..
    But, are you saying that Paul taught differently than Jesus.

    And if so, are you saying that Paul's teachings are more relevant than Jesus'?
     
  4. Episkopos

    Episkopos Well-Known Member

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    He is preaching another gospel...a different one from Jesus...calling Jesus' gospel...false. All this because he misinterprets what Paul is saying when he says "according to my gospel".

    A lot of errorists preach this.
     
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    We should be careful to not point our finger at others who bear witness to Christ least we too reveal our own weaknesses.
     
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    @H. Richard Richard is right about one thing, the law and grace has being mixed and has corrupted the gospel, and Christ came "only" for the lost sheep of Israel, it was not till Peter had the vision of the unclean animals and the sheets on the roof top, before the gospel was sent to us "gentiles / greeks". Jesus came to fulfill Gods promise to Israel, we get the added benefit of not having to deal with the law, as we came to Christ straight under grace. Or as Jesus put it to the Jews,

    Luk_5:39 No man also having drunk old wine straightway desireth new: for he saith, The old is better.

    we got the new wine, the best wine just like the wedding feast, when Jesus changed the water into wine.

    Joh 2:10 And saith unto him, Every man at the beginning doth set forth good wine; and when men have well drunk, then that which is worse: but thou hast kept the good wine until now.

    we should be so thank full....
     
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    You are absolutely right. Under grace there is only one gospel. The hidden one that Paul taught. The 12 never taught it.

    YOUR OPINION THAT WHAT I SAID AND TEACH IS IN ERROR IS JUST YOUR OPINION. Jesus said, by His own words, that He only came to the house of Israel. But you, like other, want a works based salvation and do not believe Him. I do.

    Matt 10:5-7 (NKJ)
    5 These twelve Jesus sent out and commanded them, saying: "Do not go into the way of the Gentiles, and do not enter a city of the Samaritans.
    6 "But go rather to the lost sheep of the house of Israel.
    7 "And as you go, preach, saying, 'The kingdom of heaven is at hand.'

    Matt 15:23-24 (NKJ)
    23 But He answered her not a word. And His disciples came and urged Him, saying, "Send her away, for she cries out after us."
    24 But He answered and said, "I was not sent except to the lost sheep of the house of Israel."

    Paul said: Rom 15:8 (NKJ)
    8 Now I say that Jesus Christ was a minister of the circumcision for the truth of God, to confirm the promises made unto the fathers:

    Any one can read these scriptures and see that Jesus never preached or taught the hidden gospel that Jesus gave Paul. But the religious just can not believe them.
     
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    Episkopos Well-Known Member

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    We should all submit ourselves to the truth of the word so that we can be corrected in our teaching.

    I believe in the truth....a truth that brings life. Our weakness comes from holding on to dead teachings that bring no life.
     
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    Should be repeated. always come down to the law VS grace - the battle rages on for the hearts and minds of men,

    When was the law instituted

    Joh_1:17 For the law was given by Moses, but grace and truth came by Jesus Christ.

    How long from Adam to Moses without any law. 26 Generation - you can look it up.
    Who was the law given too.

    Exo 31:16 Wherefore the children of Israel shall keep the sabbath, to observe the sabbath throughout their generations, for a perpetual covenant.
    Exo 31:17 It is a sign between me and the children of Israel for ever: for in six days the LORD made heaven and earth, and on the seventh day he rested, and was refreshed.

    Christ never gave us the law in fact

    Act_15:5 But there rose up certain of the sect of the Pharisees which believed, saying, That it was needful to circumcise them, and to command them to keep the law of Moses.

    Sound like modern day corrupted gospel.

    Act_15:24 Forasmuch as we have heard, that certain which went out from us have troubled you with words, subverting your souls, saying, Ye must be circumcised, and keep the law: to whom we gave no such commandment:

    and

    Gal_6:13 For neither they themselves who are circumcised keep the law; but desire to have you circumcised, that they may glory in your flesh.

    and again

    Rom 4:13 For the promise, that he should be the heir of the world, was not to Abraham, or to his seed, through the law, but through the righteousness of faith.
    Rom 4:14 For if they which are of the law be heirs, faith is made void, and the promise made of none effect:

    as for us gentiles

    Rom 2:14 For when the Gentiles, which have not the law, do by nature the things contained in the law, these, having not the law, are a law unto themselves:
    Rom 2:15 Which shew the work of the law written in their hearts, their conscience also bearing witness, and their thoughts the mean while accusing or else excusing one another;)

    it was never given to us.

    and one last one

    Rom 4:15 Because the law worketh wrath: for where no law is, there is no transgression.

    which is why Jesus went to the cross.
     
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    Episkopos Well-Known Member

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    Paul taught the gospel of Jesus Christ. That is the same gospel as Jesus taught.

    Rom_15:19 Through mighty signs and wonders, by the power of the Spirit of God; so that from Jerusalem, and round about unto Illyricum, I have fully preached the gospel of Christ.
    Rom_15:29 And I am sure that, when I come unto you, I shall come in the fulness of the blessing of the gospel of Christ.

    To suggest otherwise Paul himself condemns.
     
  11. H. Richard

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    Really!!!! both were relevant to the ones that they addressed. Jesus was a Jew and He came to the Jews under the Jewish law. He came to give them the promised kingdom. A Kingdom that was never promised to the Gentiles.

    Paul said: Rom 15:8 (NKJ)
    8 Now I say that Jesus Christ was a minister of the circumcision for the truth of God, to confirm the promises made unto the fathers:

    But Jesus sent Paul to the Gentiles under the hidden gospel of God's grace. THE SCRIPTURES say He did. READ YOUR BIBLE.
     
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    H. Richard Well-Known Member

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    I am not responsible for the fact that you just will not believe what Jesus said.
     
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    H. Richard Well-Known Member

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    Why do you insist that the GOSPEL OF THE KINGDOM is the same as THE GOSPEL OF CHRIST?

    Oh, I get it, all gospels are the same TO YOU.
     
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    You are denying what Jesus said...and His gospel, based on a lack of understanding.

    You would have the gospel that Jesus preached (that of the kingdom of God which Paul also preached) )become a different gospel that one deserves to be condemned for.

    Truly outrageous. That is what ignorance does.
     
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    It says 3 times in the NT that Paul preached the gospel of the kingdom. But you have nothing to say about that...just ignore what you don't want to know about.

    Jesus taught the gospel of the kingdom. It is HIS gospel...the gospel of Christ.
     
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    Show me where Jesus preached the gospel that Paul preached.

    Paul preached the gospel to be as follows,
    1 Cor 15:1-5
    15 Moreover, brethren, I declare to you the gospel which I preached to you, which also you received and in which you stand,
    2 by which also you are saved, if you hold fast that word which I preached to you — unless you believed in vain.
    3 For I delivered to you first of all that which I also received: that Christ died for our sins according to the Scriptures,
    4 and that He was buried, and that He rose again the third day according to the Scriptures,

    5 and that He was seen by Cephas, then by the twelve.
    NKJV

    The above is Paul's gospel. Show me where Jesus preached it.
     
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    Luke 9:22 saying, “The Son of Man must suffer many things and be rejected by the elders and chief priests and scribes, and be killed, and on the third day be raised.”

    You have Paul inventing a new gospel....whereas he simply preached what Jesus preached.

    What gospel do you think Peter preached?
     
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    1 Cor 1:18-25
    18 For the message of the cross is foolishness to those who are perishing, but to us who are being saved it is the power of God.
    19 For it is written: "I will destroy the wisdom of the wise, And bring to nothing the understanding of the prudent."
    20 Where is the wise? Where is the scribe? Where is the disputer of this age? Has not God made foolish the wisdom of this world?
    21 For since, in the wisdom of God, the world through wisdom did not know God, it pleased God through the foolishness of the message preached to save those who believe.
    22 For Jews request a sign, and Greeks seek after wisdom;
    23 but we preach Christ crucified, to the Jews a stumbling block and to the Greeks foolishness,
    24 but to those who are called, both Jews and Greeks, Christ the power of God and the wisdom of God.
    25 Because the foolishness of God is wiser than men, and the weakness of God is stronger than men.
    NKJV

    Jesus never preached His own death. He told the 12 but, according to the scriptures, the 12 didn't hear it.
     
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    It is you who are in error in claiming that the Gospel of Christ and the eleven apostles was different from the Gospel according to Paul.

    The Bible is a book like none other, and the Gospel which was first presented in Genesis is the same as the eternal Gospel mentioned in Revelation. Which is to say that THERE IS ONLY ONE GOSPEL (although it has various descriptive terms attached to it, such as the Gospel of God, the Gospel of the grace of God, the Gospel of Christ, the Gospel of Jesus Christ, the Gospel of the Kingdom, the Gospel of His Son, the Gospel of the glory of Christ, the everlasting or eternal Gospel, the Gospel of peace, etc.)

    This is consistent with what the Bible says about the singularity of everything connected with Christ (Eph 4:4-7):

    There is one body,
    and one Spirit,
    even as ye are called in one hope of your calling;
    One Lord,
    one faith,
    one baptism,
    One God and Father of all,
    who is above all, and through all, and in you all.
    But unto every one of us is given grace according to the measure of the gift of Christ.
     
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    I see that the misunderstandings and reactions are already happening. This is nothing new, but the sword between brother and brother, parent and child, spoken of by Christ. Nonetheless, there are indeed two folds brought by Christ, and a gospel for each according to Him, respectfully.

    The gospel that Christ commanded be told to all nations is not lessened by what He also added. The one (gospel) was unto the dead, those born of the flesh, born under the linage of Adam, "the dead in Christ", for whom He came, Israel. These are "the first who would be last."

    As long as people are born of the flesh and under the linage of Adam, this gospel of Christ applies - except for those things promised exclusively to Israel, which is much of the law and the prophets. But they are the dead, for which there is no longer any salvation according to what was 'finished" at the cross, pertaining only to "the dead in Christ"...for they are with Him since the cross. Thus, there are indeed dead since the cross, but these are not "the dead in Christ" whom are "the first." Coming after that generation are not "the first" who are now with Him, but "those who remain." This is the dividing line of the two folds given by Paul. But he spoke of those who remain as "the living (who remain)", meaning those born again of the spirit of God - not born under the lineage of Adam, but of Christ. As it is written, “The first man Adam became a living being.” The last Adam became a life-giving spirit."

    These are the two folds spoken of by Christ, for which the fate of men holds a different truth or good news (gospel).

    Thus when Paul spoke of the death of "the old man" - he spoke, not only of those who remain, but of those who were with Christ. But he also spoke of the "new" man, which is "the last" - "the last who are the first." Which Christ did also speak of and should be no surprise - certainly nothing that should rightfully come between brothers or parents and their children. But men are not now better than those who came before...that is, if you walk in that darkness, rather than in the light of Christ who first told of these things.

    And then...Paul goes on, saying "Therefore, leaving the discussion of the elementary principles of Christ, let us go on to perfection, not laying again the foundation of repentance from dead works and of faith toward God, of the doctrine of baptisms, we will do if God permits." Hebrews 6 ...and the warning that follows.

    But have we left the elementary principles of Christ behind? No. Nor, for the sake of all those born of the flesh during these times, should we. But we should also be preaching the gospel of the living, the gospel of "the first" to be born [again] of the spirit of God. And if we are not, we are not walking in it...and yet Christ is - which is the gospel of the Spirit, not of the flesh.
     
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