A NEW TAKE ON THE AOD

[Ronald David Bruno]

What is the Abomination of Desolation? In history, Antiochus Epiphanes sacrificed a pig on the altar of God and then proceeded to kill Israelites and cause desolation to Jerusalem.

That was an example of an abomination and desolation
My understanding of an abomination in the Bible, is anything or anyone that is debased and extremely detestable to God. The Antichrist would be considered an abomination: who he is, his purpose and what he does. What he does is cause desolation, destruction of Gods people, and leaving Jerusalem desolate.


The Christian is now the Temple of the Holy Spirit and so what purpose would a new Temple serve especially when according to Rom. 11, when Jesus returns, He will save a remnant Jewish population and open their eyes? Imagine Jews sacrificing animals once again. It would be the insult to God. But what would be more of an abomination than sacrificing a pig on an altar in a new Temple? Sacrificial killing of Jews and Christians.

Depopulation caused by not only poisonous vaccines, but add to that a collapse of the world economy -- that leads to wars, famine and death.
85% of Israel has received the jab. Many have died from it but the percentage is small. What if the NWO headed by the Antichrist were to first get as many humans in board with this program and then either the vaccine has a destructive accumulative effect or the boosters become the more serious death blow where higher percentages of people die?
Whether you believe it or not, this One World Government sees and is planning a Utopian future world with about 90% less people in it. Since the population has tripled in the last 70 years, the earth will not be able to sustain 24 billion people 70 years from now! They do not believe that the current population can live at the standard of living that the west has. Really only a fraction live at our standard. To eliminate poverty in the world, they must eliminate most of us first.
Would that be an abomination, that causes desolation?
Since much of scripture centers around Jerusalem, it could be that the desolation coming pertains to Israel. Nevertheless, desolation is coming to all nations through pestilence, famine, wars and death.

 

[GaryAnderson]

So your point is that the apocalypse is around the corner? Ok, good. Many people have said this since 100AD.
Only the Father knows when, not men.

 

[Ronald David Bruno]

So your point is that the apocalypse is around the corner? Ok, good. Many people have said this since 100AD.
Only the Father knows when, not men.

Actually, Jesus gave us signs to look for that were not prevalent at any other time in history. One key sign was Matthew 24:14. That has just about been fulfilled. And the distress caused by fear of the pestilence, the lockdowns, the mandates and fascism right now _ effecting the whole world _ is a sign that we are being controlled by a One World Government headed by an Antichrist.

 

[Enoch111]

The Antichrist would be considered an abomination: who he is, his purpose and what he does. What he does is cause desolation, destruction of Gods people, and leaving Jerusalem desolate.

Here is the meaning of the Abomination of Desolation, which is a lively image of the Antichrist (an abominable idol) placed within the Holy Place of a future temple in Jerusalem: And deceiveth them that dwell on the earth by the means of those miracles which he had power to do in the sight of the beast; saying to them that dwell on the earth, that they should make an image to the beast, which had the wound by a sword, and did live. And he had power to give life unto the image of the beast, that the image of the beast should both speak, and cause that as many as would not worship the image of the beast should be killed.

"The image of (to) the beast" is repeated four times here. How did you miss this key passage? This image has life and can speak. A Satanic miracle.

 

[Enoch111]

So your point is that the apocalypse is around the corner? Ok, good. Many people have said this since 100AD.
Only the Father knows when, not men.

I believe you are referring to the Second Coming of Christ (which is now known by the Father, the Son, and the Holy Spirit). The events of the first five seals have been taking place since the first century, but the events of the 6th and 7th seals will be triggered by the Abomination of Desolation (explained above). So they are "around the corner" so to speak.

 

[GaryAnderson]

Yes many people like to predict the apocalypse which I find amusing because everyone is absolutely sure that it will happen in their lifetime for some reason.

 

[Ronald David Bruno]

Here is the meaning of the Abomination of Desolation, which is a lively image of the Antichrist (an abominable idol) placed within the Holy Place of a future temple in Jerusalem: And deceiveth them that dwell on the earth by the means of those miracles which he had power to do in the sight of the beast; saying to them that dwell on the earth, that they should make an image to the beast, which had the wound by a sword, and did live. And he had power to give life unto the image of the beast, that the image of the beast should both speak, and cause that as many as would not worship the image of the beast should be killed.

"The image of (to) the beast" is repeated four times here. How did you miss this key passage? This image has life and can speak. A Satanic miracle.

No, I am familiar with several views. We would have to say Antiocus IV Epiphanes was an abomination that caused desolation in 167 BC.
Then the Jewish Revolt against Rome from 66-73AD with the destruction of Jerusalem and it's temple in 70 AD was considered a time of great tribulation for the Jews.
Then there is the future event characterized by the Antichrist, the Beast and the image in the holy place. The image of the Antichrist speaks. What is that?
I always thought this could be very simply a TV screen inside a church.
The AntiChrist will speak to the world on TV, computers, phones and those with the mark will worship him.
?

 

[Keraz]

Yes many people like to predict the apocalypse which I find amusing because everyone is absolutely sure that it will happen in their lifetime for some reason.

Yes, I do think that.
The very good reason I do believe the end times events as prophesied, will happen quite soon, is from the simple addition of the given time periods of the Patriarchs and when Abraham departed from Ur, exactly 2000 years; then the Kings of Judah, up to the known date of the Babylonian conquest, then to the time Jesus was acclaimed King of the Jews and subsequently Crucified, is another exactly 2000 years. Now we have the 2000 of the Church age; nearly completed.
A total of 6000 years, and after Jesus Returns, the final 1000 years, making the final total of 7000 years of God's decreed time for mankind. Just as Hosea 6:2 prophesied: Two 'days' to revive us, with the Gospel, then the 'day' of the Millennium reign of Jesus as world ruler. A parallel of the Creation story, Genesis 1.
Note; that to God in heaven; one day equals 1000 earth years.

Does it worry you, Gary; that you might have to face dramatic events?
We Christians are told what we must do: Call upon the Name of the Lord and you will be saved. Acts 2:21, Joel 2:32

 

[nenagana]

What is the Abomination of Desolation? In history, Antiochus Epiphanes sacrificed a pig on the altar of God and then proceeded to kill Israelites and cause desolation to Jerusalem.

That was an example of an abomination and desolation

(Thinking)

(when John the Baptist was killed, and a great many people ran and hid for fear of their lives.............God eventually said, his death meant nothing to me.............but nobody really understood..............that................it was John the Baptist's Prayer, to be able to die without consequence (other then a spiritual separation for the faithful) (God views a sign or a vision as an entitlement generally speaking)

ISAIAH 11:6 The wolf also shall dwell with the lamb, and the leopard shall lie down with the kid; and the calf and the young lion and the fatling together; and a little child shall lead them.

1Kings13:23-24 - When this Prophet Died, God said it means nothing to me, no more then any person, (a sign or a vision is an entitlement in god's eyes), that was his prayer.

The question is about Antiochus Epiphanes, he performed a work ............ this is not the same as answering adversity, and murder of body and testimony, with prayer and right to live argument, (where just by living you are giving a minority or a je* the right to kill your body or testimony, and takes its own life)................in the very last generation on earth, before the very end, and in the very last last days, noboby will really care about god or the judgment, its a sin offering, a spiritual blessing from god for the faithful only.

Back to John the Baptist...............the gospel does say a dove descended, but it does not say, he killed it like it does with Antiochus Epiphanes, who revealed the Abomination of Desolation. (when humanity or those unclean play suicid*, God does not respond to anything they do really, god is more likely in the situation of (not having a will to live or answer humanities responsibility of its dead flesh accusation), controversy, to do what that prophet wanted if that is god's will, in which case to do nothing out of the ordinary, just a normal death and nothing more although in reality, this is spiritual division.

(Nugyen Van Lem was called "An Unlikely Weapon", not because he did anything, but because he just died normally (killed or otherwise))
(whats more painful then the death of the body or emotional pain ............ the answer is when god cuts spiritually, its not the people resolved their faith with god that are the real evil doers, its the pleasure agenda of satan, that is the common answer for the gospel's or subversion, its entirely build around victimization and pleasure) (when the joy is gone, then humanity really shows its desperate need to be unfaithful all for pleasure...............remember the goal is to get out of this cesspool by redemption of the lord, for the faithful)

 

[Davy]

What is the Abomination of Desolation? In history, Antiochus Epiphanes sacrificed a pig on the altar of God and then proceeded to kill Israelites and cause desolation to Jerusalem.

That was an example of an abomination and desolation
My understanding of an abomination in the Bible, is anything or anyone that is debased and extremely detestable to God. The Antichrist would be considered an abomination: who he is, his purpose and what he does. What he does is cause desolation, destruction of Gods people, and leaving Jerusalem desolate.


The Christian is now the Temple of the Holy Spirit and so what purpose would a new Temple serve especially when according to Rom. 11, when Jesus returns, He will save a remnant Jewish population and open their eyes? Imagine Jews sacrificing animals once again. It would be the insult to God. But what would be more of an abomination than sacrificing a pig on an altar in a new Temple? Sacrificial killing of Jews and Christians.

Depopulation caused by not only poisonous vaccines, but add to that a collapse of the world economy -- that leads to wars, famine and death.
85% of Israel has received the jab. Many have died from it but the percentage is small. What if the NWO headed by the Antichrist were to first get as many humans in board with this program and then either the vaccine has a destructive accumulative effect or the boosters become the more serious death blow where higher percentages of people die?
Whether you believe it or not, this One World Government sees and is planning a Utopian future world with about 90% less people in it. Since the population has tripled in the last 70 years, the earth will not be able to sustain 24 billion people 70 years from now! They do not believe that the current population can live at the standard of living that the west has. Really only a fraction live at our standard. To eliminate poverty in the world, they must eliminate most of us first.
Would that be an abomination, that causes desolation?
Since much of scripture centers around Jerusalem, it could be that the desolation coming pertains to Israel. Nevertheless, desolation is coming to all nations through pestilence, famine, wars and death.

The following abomination to be setup for the end in the days just prior to Christ's return, is NOT a person. It is an IDOL image, and thing...

Rev 13:14-15
14 And deceiveth them that dwell on the earth by the means of those miracles which he had power to do in the sight of the beast; saying to them that dwell on the earth, that they should make an image to the beast, which had the wound by a sword, and did live.

15 And he had power to give life unto the image of the beast, that the image of the beast should both speak, and cause that as many as would not worship the image of the beast should be killed.
KJV

The Hebrew for the word "abomination" in the Old Testament is from different Hebrew words. The Hebrew for the Daniel 11:31 verse about the "abomination of desolation" that Lord Jesus quoted from Daniel in Matthew 24 and Mark 13, is about a specific IDOL placed in the temple in Jerusalem, FOR THE END OF THIS WORLD.

What Antiochus Ephiphanes did in 165-170 B.C. Jerusalem, was to take it with an army, go into the temple there and sacrifice swine upon the altar, and spread its broth around inside the temple, 'spiritually' desolating it. He did NOT destroy that temple, he made it spiritually desolate so the Jews could not worship in it. Antiochus then setup an IDOL ABOMINATION in that temple on the altar, and further spiritually desolated it! Thus Antiochus IV served as a BLUEPRINT for the final Antichrist, but he was NOT the final Antichrist prophesied of for the END of this world. He served as an ENSAMPLE (example) of what the "man of sin", "another beast", i.e., the "dragon", is to do in Jerusalem for the END, with a rebuilt Jewish temple.

 

[Davy]

Christ's Spiritual Temple per New Testament doctrine CANNOT BE CORRUPTED...

Eph 2:18-22
18 For through him we both have access by one Spirit unto the Father.
19 Now therefore ye are no more strangers and foreigners, but fellowcitizens with the saints, and of the household of God;
20 And are built upon the foundation of the apostles and prophets, Jesus Christ himself being the chief corner stone;
21 In whom all the building fitly framed together groweth unto an holy temple in the Lord:
22 In whom ye also are builded together for an habitation of God through the Spirit.
KJV

Can Christ Himself as The Chief Cornerstone ever be corrupted? Of course not!

Can that "foundation of the apostles and prophets" that make up that foundation with Jesus be corrupted? Absolutely NOT! And brethren in Christ, don't you believe those hirelings that lie and say it can be corrupted! There's this little idea in God's Word that whatever is like chaff not worth anything is "cut off" from what is God's. That is what happens when someone falls away from the Spiritual Temple of Christ. Their iniquity does NOT corrupt the Spiritual Temple, instead they are simply "cut off" from it!

Only someone who cannot discern spiritual things, but is stuck in their carnal mind, would not understand this. So if you hear some preacher at a pulpit saying the "temple of God" that Apostle Paul said in 2 Thessalonians 2:3-4 is Christ's Church, then you KNOW that preacher is a hireling, and not truly one 'called' by Christ!

John 10:11-13
11 I am the good shepherd: the good shepherd giveth his life for the sheep.
12 But he that is an hireling, and not the shepherd, whose own the sheep are not, seeth the wolf coming, and leaveth the sheep, and fleeth: and the wolf catcheth them, and scattereth the sheep.
13 The hireling fleeth, because he is an hireling, and careth not for the sheep.
KJV

 

[Ronald David Bruno]

remember the goal is to get out of this cesspool by redemption of the lord, for the faithful)

I'll agree with that and all the animal kingdom at peace too. I wonder if God will recreate my dog for me? The resurrection and eternal life is promised to us only. I guess like Lot's wife ... we just can't look back. I am sure we will be more than happy in Paradise and with a new body - that is what I need right now ... 65 years old and counting.

 

[Davy]

This so-called 'new take' by Bruno is not new at all.

It is the same ole' doctrine of men who wrongly interpret the coming Antichrist as a Catholic Pope sitting in the "temple of God" as Christ's Church, which they say gets corrupted.

The actual meaning of the 2 Thessalonians 2:4 phrase "temple of God" by Apostle Paul is about a literal, PHYSICAL TEMPLE that is to be built in Jerusalem for the very END of this world.

2 Thess 2:1-4
2 Now we beseech you, brethren, by the coming of our Lord Jesus Christ, and by our gathering together unto him,
2 That ye be not soon shaken in mind, or be troubled, neither by spirit, nor by word, nor by letter as from us, as that the day of Christ is at hand.
3 Let no man deceive you by any means: for that day shall not come, except there come a falling away first, and that man of sin be revealed, the son of perdition;
4 Who opposeth and exalteth himself above all that is called God, or that is worshipped; so that he as God sitteth in the temple of God, shewing himself that he is God.
KJV

That is NOT about a pope, nor any man that has done that in history so far. Only Antiochus Epiphanes came close, and yet he did not demand worship of himself like the above false one will do at the end of this world. Nor did Antiochus perform those supernatural signs and wonders that coming "man of sin" is to do in the generation that will see Christ's return.

That "temple of God" phrase by Apostle Paul means exactly that, the physical temple on the Temple Mount in Jerusalem. There is to be a literal Jewish temple built again in the time of the Antichrist doing those things above, proclaiming himself as God, and the Revelation 13 events of the "another beast" setting up the "image of the beast" in false worship for the end.

 

[Ronald David Bruno]

Christ's Spiritual Temple per New Testament doctrine CANNOT BE CORRUPTED...

Eph 2:18-22
18 For through him we both have access by one Spirit unto the Father.
19 Now therefore ye are no more strangers and foreigners, but fellowcitizens with the saints, and of the household of God;
20 And are built upon the foundation of the apostles and prophets, Jesus Christ himself being the chief corner stone;
21 In whom all the building fitly framed together groweth unto an holy temple in the Lord:
22 In whom ye also are builded together for an habitation of God through the Spirit.
KJV

Can Christ Himself as The Chief Cornerstone ever be corrupted? Of course not!

Can that "foundation of the apostles and prophets" that make up that foundation with Jesus be corrupted? Absolutely NOT! And brethren in Christ, don't you believe those hirelings that lie and say it can be corrupted! There's this little idea in God's Word that whatever is like chaff not worth anything is "cut off" from what is God's. That is what happens when someone falls away from the Spiritual Temple of Christ. Their iniquity does NOT corrupt the Spiritual Temple, instead they are simply "cut off" from it!

Only someone who cannot discern spiritual things, but is stuck in their carnal mind, would not understand this. So if you hear some preacher at a pulpit saying the "temple of God" that Apostle Paul said in 2 Thessalonians 2:3-4 is Christ's Church, then you KNOW that preacher is a hireling, and not truly one 'called' by Christ!

John 10:11-13
11 I am the good shepherd: the good shepherd giveth his life for the sheep.
12 But he that is an hireling, and not the shepherd, whose own the sheep are not, seeth the wolf coming, and leaveth the sheep, and fleeth: and the wolf catcheth them, and scattereth the sheep.
13 The hireling fleeth, because he is an hireling, and careth not for the sheep.
KJV

I don't agree that anyone who has been born again and is a Temple of the HS can lose their salvation.
We are the Temple of the Holy Spirit and it cannot be corrupted - agreed .... and so ...?

 

[Ronald David Bruno]

It is the same ole' doctrine of men who wrongly interpret the coming Antichrist as a Catholic Pope sitting in the "temple of God" as Christ's Church, which they say gets corrupted.

You misrepresent my view! You misinterpret my view. I SAID NOTHING ABOUT A POPE.
>>>I don't believe the Pope is the Antichrist.<<<
Right now I am thinking about someone else, he is not the Antichrist, for now - I'll just call him bonehead.

The actual meaning of the 2 Thessalonians 2:4 phrase "temple of God" by Apostle Paul is about a literal, PHYSICAL TEMPLE that is to be built in Jerusalem for the very END of this world.

As I said, this Antichrist could enter into any synagogue or church, set up a TV monitor and have the world watch and listen as they follow and obey his image

 

[Davy]

I don't agree that anyone who has been born again and is a Temple of the HS can lose their salvation.
We are the Temple of the Holy Spirit and it cannot be corrupted - agreed .... and so ...?

It means then, that the "temple of God" phrase in 2 Thessalonians 2:4 by Apostle Paul was meant to point to a PHYSICAL temple in Jerusalem, what it has always... meant in Paul's day.

2 Thess 2:3-4
3 Let no man deceive you by any means: for that day shall not come, except there come a falling away first, and that man of sin be revealed, the son of perdition;

4 Who opposeth and exalteth himself above all that is called God, or that is worshipped; so that he as God sitteth in the temple of God, shewing himself that he is God.
KJV

One of the false doctrines of men you show is with wrongly thinking that "temple of God" phrase means Christ's Spiritual Temple.

Men's false doctrines try to push that so they can claim it's about a Pope sitting in corruption over the Church playing God. That is nothing but men's blatant ignorance by Satan's hidden servants pushing false doctrine through them, and their wrongly preaching it (mostly unknowingly) to their congregations, and their members then repeating such fallacy (like here on forums like this one).

 

[Davy]

You misrepresent my view! You misinterpret my view. I SAID NOTHING ABOUT A POPE.
>>>I don't believe the Pope is the Antichrist.<<<
Right now I am thinking about someone else, he is not the Antichrist, for now - I'll just call him bonehead.

As I said, this Antichrist could enter into any synagogue or church, set up a TV monitor and have the world watch and listen as they follow and obey his image

I did not have to see you mention a pope. You brought up their idea that there's no reason for another physical temple in Jerusalem to be built, which is one of 'their' doctrines of men which they preach with... their false idea that Paul was pointing to the Spiritual Temple of Christ in that 2 Thessalonians 2:4 verse.

 

[bbyrd009]

Yes many people like to predict the apocalypse which I find amusing because everyone is absolutely sure that it will happen in their lifetime for some reason.

“Secretly everyone is waiting for the end of the world” HMarukami

 

[bbyrd009]

I'll agree with that and all the amimal kingdom at peace too. I wonder if God will recreate my dog for me? The resurrection and eternal life is promised to us only. I guess like Lot's wife ... we just can't look back. I am sure we will be more than happy in Paradise and with a new body - that is what I need right now ... 65 years old and counting.

you know eternal does not mean forever right

 

[Davy]

Yes many people like to predict the apocalypse which I find amusing because everyone is absolutely sure that it will happen in their lifetime for some reason.

The times today must then have you worried for some reason. Why else would you be here reading all this stuff about the end. There is a way to 'know' where we are in the timeline events leading up to Christ's coming return and end of this present world. It's called Bible study asking God for understanding in Christ's name.