A solution to the race problem on the force.

[justbyfaith]

My wife suggested that it would be expedient for black police officers only to be deployed against black perpetrators when they are called in; and that white officers not be deployed against black perpetrators.

 

[Rita]

My wife suggested that it would be expedient for black police officers only to be deployed against black perpetrators when they are called in; and that white officers not be deployed against black perpetrators.

I understand how that would perhaps help on one level, but I wonder if it could lead to a bigger divide between blacks and whites - the heart of the matter needs to be dealt with. I have seen many videos of Police just lashing into the black people they have been arresting, usually the person is already on the floor, but the thumping and aggression showed in a physical way is just way over the top- in a few videos they officers are black. It use to be like that over here many decades ago - police could ‘ hit ‘ those who they were arresting and ge away with it- it wasn’t so much a black or white issue, more a release of aggression. Thankfully our laws changed.
Why do the police feel that they need to hit people so hard, for what appears to be no valid reason. Also it’s just the male officers- it’s as if they are merely releasing their own frustrations and using their power in a personal way. They obviously do not see the person they are hitting ( sometimes it is women ) as being of much value.
Doubt there is an easy solution to the problem - but it won’t change unless those higher up start taking responsibility for the problems.
Rita

 

[Heart2Soul]

I understand how that would perhaps help on one level, but I wonder if it could lead to a bigger divide between blacks and whites - the heart of the matter needs to be dealt with. I have seen many videos of Police just lashing into the black people they have been arresting, usually the person is already on the floor, but the thumping and aggression showed in a physical way is just way over the top- in a few videos they officers are black. It use to be like that over here many decades ago - police could ‘ hit ‘ those who they were arresting and ge away with it- it wasn’t so much a black or white issue, more a release of aggression. Thankfully our laws changed.
Why do the police feel that they need to hit people so hard, for what appears to be no valid reason. Also it’s just the male officers- it’s as if they are merely releasing their own frustrations and using their power in a personal way. They obviously do not see the person they are hitting ( sometimes it is women ) as being of much value.
Doubt there is an easy solution to the problem - but it won’t change unless those higher up start taking responsibility for the problems.
Rita

Agree....it's just prophesy being fulfilled right before our very eyes and it is an age old dilemma....I think the whole OT was kingdoms fighting against kingdoms....over religion and race...ugh.

 

[justbyfaith]

I understand how that would perhaps help on one level, but I wonder if it could lead to a bigger divide between blacks and whites - the heart of the matter needs to be dealt with. I have seen many videos of Police just lashing into the black people they have been arresting, usually the person is already on the floor, but the thumping and aggression showed in a physical way is just way over the top- in a few videos they officers are black. It use to be like that over here many decades ago - police could ‘ hit ‘ those who they were arresting and ge away with it- it wasn’t so much a black or white issue, more a release of aggression. Thankfully our laws changed.
Why do the police feel that they need to hit people so hard, for what appears to be no valid reason. Also it’s just the male officers- it’s as if they are merely releasing their own frustrations and using their power in a personal way. They obviously do not see the person they are hitting ( sometimes it is women ) as being of much value.
Doubt there is an easy solution to the problem - but it won’t change unless those higher up start taking responsibility for the problems.
Rita

I guess that, based on what you've said, that it isn't a black and white issue after all.

It is a police brutality issue.

 

[justbyfaith]

And also, the solution that I have presented would make it more clear that the issue is not about race but about the frustration that police officers have with the people that they are serving (really the people that they are apprehending in service of those whom they are protecting).

 

[Rita]

I guess that, based on what you've said, that it isn't a black and white issue after all.

It is a police brutality issue.

No, I think it is a mixture of the two in some cases, that’s what makes it so complex. The situation is by far a simple one to resolve because there are just so many underlining issues that contribute to what is happening, has happened in the past.
You have corruption in the police force
You have the ‘ chip on the shoulder ‘ ideology
You have the black white divide with poverty and less opportunities
You have a race issue that are centuries old, has changed, but not with everyone
You have the gun culture
You have the political corruption and manipulation
And that’s without the spiritual warfare that underpins it all !
All cultural problems and issues have so many strands intertwined and working that’s it’s difficult to know how to untangle the mess.

So, no I wasn’t saying it’s just a police brutality issue - that is just one of the issues !
Rita

 

[justbyfaith]

I do believe that if black officers are deployed against black perpetrators, that it will bring down to zero the possibility of crimes of prejudice against perpetrators by the officers in question.

However, such a thing might be considered to be racial profiling by those who are opposed to the idea; and so it would probably never get off the ground. Nevertheless I believe that it is a valid solution to much of the problem because of the fact that it annihilates prejudice as a reason for crimes of passion by those who are in authority: if the opposers to the idea would realize that it is indeed a valid solution and that the negative outweighs the positive in it..

 

[Rita]

I do believe that if black officers are deployed against black perpetrators, that it will bring down to zero the possibility of crimes of prejudice against perpetrators by the officers in question.

However, such a thing might be considered to be racial profiling by those who are opposed to the idea; and so it would probably never get off the ground. Nevertheless I believe that it is a valid solution to much of the problem because of the fact that it annihilates prejudice as a reason for crimes of passion by those who are in authority: if the opposers to the idea would realize that it is indeed a valid solution and that the negative outweighs the positive in it..

I guess the only way to weigh it up would be in practice. Have you suggested it to anyone ?
It appears you believe that there is only one issue within the whole situation - which I don’t believe is the case. However if it would solve one aspect of the problem, it would be worth endeavouring to follow it through and get the idea heard.
Rita

 

[justbyfaith]

I'm suggesting it here in hopes that someone who can do something about it will get wind of it and act on it.

I don't really know anyone on the force; but maybe someone on the force is a Christian or someone who frequents these boards.

 

[farouk]

I understand how that would perhaps help on one level, but I wonder if it could lead to a bigger divide between blacks and whites - the heart of the matter needs to be dealt with. I have seen many videos of Police just lashing into the black people they have been arresting, usually the person is already on the floor, but the thumping and aggression showed in a physical way is just way over the top- in a few videos they officers are black. It use to be like that over here many decades ago - police could ‘ hit ‘ those who they were arresting and ge away with it- it wasn’t so much a black or white issue, more a release of aggression. Thankfully our laws changed.
Why do the police feel that they need to hit people so hard, for what appears to be no valid reason. Also it’s just the male officers- it’s as if they are merely releasing their own frustrations and using their power in a personal way. They obviously do not see the person they are hitting ( sometimes it is women ) as being of much value.
Doubt there is an easy solution to the problem - but it won’t change unless those higher up start taking responsibility for the problems.
Rita

@Rita Police training is another aspect, all intertwined. A year or two ago in Utah an emotional police officer was caught on camera arresting a nurse - who was calm and composed - in a hospital because she wouldn't give a blood sample to him without a warrant of someone who had been in an accident with someone who was injured (who died, but not then). In other words, the nurse was upholding the law, and the police officer wasn't. In other words, it's about how well the police are trained; sometimes nurses prove to have a better grasp of the law than the police, and certainly more composure. (In the end the officer was fired; but merely firing the officer would not in itself solve the systemic problem of a lack of quality training for the police in some areas.)

 

[Scoot]

I can't help but believe lowering the level of expectations (such as segregating police to deal with those of the same ethnicity) is only giving in and accepting defeat to the problem as opposed to dealing with it?

I can't help but think the problem we're facing are spiritual - which I can't help but wonder don't we need to start by dealing with them spiritually first?

Don't get me wrong - it's great to come up with ideas and practical solutions, but in the end of the day - even good ideas are only going to be temporary band-aids on a severed artery.

If a culture has a growing number of people keen to turn away from God and pursue and follow the world instead - there's only so much you can do to resist it.

As an example - even the founding fathers knew the evil and developed an incredible constitution to try and combat what they knew would happen in the future - and that constitution as powerful and well written as it was - is under severe threat today because nothing we can do in the natural is going to end up stopping onslaught in the spiritual. It can only provide speed bumps. If the nation falls spiritually, no changes in law, and no constitution no matter how powerful and well written can save us from the problems that spiritual bankruptcy brings.

I'm speaking more to myself than anyone else here. I have talked about this tragic incident far more than I've prayed about it, so when I see this problem I see myself in a mirror.

 

[marksman]

I understand how that would perhaps help on one level, but I wonder if it could lead to a bigger divide between blacks and whites - the heart of the matter needs to be dealt with. I have seen many videos of Police just lashing into the black people they have been arresting, usually the person is already on the floor, but the thumping and aggression showed in a physical way is just way over the top- in a few videos they officers are black. It use to be like that over here many decades ago - police could ‘ hit ‘ those who they were arresting and ge away with it- it wasn’t so much a black or white issue, more a release of aggression. Thankfully our laws changed.
Why do the police feel that they need to hit people so hard, for what appears to be no valid reason. Also it’s just the male officers- it’s as if they are merely releasing their own frustrations and using their power in a personal way. They obviously do not see the person they are hitting ( sometimes it is women ) as being of much value.
Doubt there is an easy solution to the problem - but it won’t change unless those higher up start taking responsibility for the problems.
Rita

Being a cultural warrior has involved watching what culture is doing and not doing. I read recently that when a nation jettisons faith in God they jettison law and order because the two are synonymous.

We have a culture that has slowly rejected God and embraced atheism. In other words, we don't need you God we will do things our way. When that happens very often God says "OK, you go right ahead. Give me a ring if you change your mind." As yet we have not done that as we are letting the forces of evil determine what does and does not happen.

Because satan is devoted to stealing, killing, and destroying, you are going to get everything out of whack such as what has happened where the criminal was the problem now the police are the problem.

The same with money. The time was when most people were content to earn a living and live frugally and happily. Now we have a world where greed is applauded and people are amassing fortunes for themselves whilst others are sleeping on the street. Just how much money do you need to live comfortably?

And then there is poor old me with a 20-year-old car and others change theirs every two years. Don't worry, I have just had a service and the mechanic said that it is the best example of that model car he has ever seen as in it is as good as new. Only ever broke down once. Why do I need a new car? That is spending money for the sake of it. Better to give the money to someone who does not have a car.

So, don't be surprised with what has happened as the scripture is very clear that every man does that which is right in his own eyes. We are seeing this every day with protest movements that seems to have as their aim to protest without achieving anything positive. A classic example is Extinction Rebellion who has yet to say anything intelligent. If they do that people may not listen to them and they would not have anything to protest about. Claiming that we will experience armageddon in 10 years if we don't do anything about climate change is much more newsworthy.

 

[justbyfaith]

It would be wonderful if every police officer bowed the knee; not only alongside of the protesters; but in humble submission to Christ. If every officer on the force got truly born again, there wouldn't be a problem of racism on the force; while what I am saying may even be contested by those who deny the power of the Lord and what He can do in a heart that He has just saved. People who think that there is a long process of sanctification that has to take place before such sins would be dealt with in the person's heart. I would say that He sanctifies, washes, and justifies those whom He has redeemed; in that order (see 1 Corinthians 6:11).

So I suppose that there are two viable solutions here: a practical one, and a spiritual one.

The spiritual one would be nothing short of a miracle.

The practical one would not need a miracle for its implementation; just good leadership on the part of those who would want to implement it.

 

[Enoch111]

My wife suggested that it would be expedient for black police officers only to be deployed against black perpetrators when they are called in; and that white officers not be deployed against black perpetrators.

That's what I have been saying for ages. It is the simple and practical solution to prevent the use of the race card. Which means that the people who run the cities, states, and country DO NOT WANT SOLUTIONS TO PROBLEMS.

In fact the current news reports are telling us that the Democratic governors are encouraging rioters and preventing the police from doing their jobs (even though this is not a police matter but a military matter). The extreme Left and the Fascists have declared war on America, and the response has been pathetic.

 

[Prayer Warrior]

I understand how that would perhaps help on one level, but I wonder if it could lead to a bigger divide between blacks and whites - the heart of the matter needs to be dealt with. I have seen many videos of Police just lashing into the black people they have been arresting, usually the person is already on the floor, but the thumping and aggression showed in a physical way is just way over the top- in a few videos they officers are black. It use to be like that over here many decades ago - police could ‘ hit ‘ those who they were arresting and ge away with it- it wasn’t so much a black or white issue, more a release of aggression. Thankfully our laws changed.
Why do the police feel that they need to hit people so hard, for what appears to be no valid reason. Also it’s just the male officers- it’s as if they are merely releasing their own frustrations and using their power in a personal way. They obviously do not see the person they are hitting ( sometimes it is women ) as being of much value.
Doubt there is an easy solution to the problem - but it won’t change unless those higher up start taking responsibility for the problems.
Rita

First, I need to make it clear that I am against racial prejudice in all its forms. I believe that God created ONE race--the human race.

There are two sides to this issue, and I've observed anger and hatred on both sides. I have seen "whites" abused by "white" officers. I myself (who am considered "white") was verbally abused by "white" officers. I have NO doubt that "blacks" are abused by "black" officers.

The remedies for racism have added to the problem in some ways. Perhaps you're not familiar with the racial quotas imposed on Americans in the name of leveling the playing field causing whites to miss out on opportunities because of the color of their skin.... White children were bused to schools in dangerous areas of town in order to level the playing field.... In high school, I was in the band, and we had to put cushions on the windows of the bus when our football team played the schools from those areas. Knifings were not unusual during and after the games. I'm sure that in this day and age, there are shootings.

Many people of color in America have taken advantage of the freedoms and opportunities we enjoy in America, but some just want things handed to them.... This goes for some whites as well. I'm tired of being shamed for the sins on my ancestors who never owned slaves.... I'm tired of all the whining and excuses for evil and crime.... If people of ANY color are looking for an excuse to be evil, they will find one.

So, you see, this problem of racism works both ways. The "remedies" for racism have created a monster. There is so much rage on both sides, and I wonder if it will erupt like a powder keg before all is said and done. But I pray that it doesn't, and I pray that Christians in America will begin to love one another as never before and demonstrate the love of Christ to all people. This is our hope!

Sorry for the rant. These riots have me riled up. I always hate to see looting, but this is being done by people of all colors--destroying other people's livelihoods.

 

[Enoch111]

So, you see, this problem of racism works both ways.

Correct. Indeed ever since Barack Hussein Obama came on the scene Black Racism has been promoted on a daily basis by black politicians. And Obama was probably the most racist president in history, displaying his racism against whites while ALSO ensuring that his black *brothers* remained enslaved, and their jobs taken away by Central American and Mexican illegals.

Not one politician -- black or white -- ever spoke out about Obama's and Michelle's racism. They brought out the race card at every opportunity, while everyone stood by and said absolutely nothing. Shame on gutless American politicians.

Prior to Obama, White Racism was becoming a thing of the past, and had Obama not come on the scene, it would have been a non-issue today. But Obama was also a Marxist, and had been coached by Alinsky to use race in order to divide America, bring it to its knees, and establish Marxism. The very fact that an avowed Communist -- Bernie Sanders -- was allowed to run as a Democrat is proof that the Democrat Party was set to enslave America under Communism. The fact that there are actual Communists right now in the Democratic party should put America on notice.

 

[Josho]

My wife suggested that it would be expedient for black police officers only to be deployed against black perpetrators when they are called in; and that white officers not be deployed against black perpetrators.

Or perhaps even have 1 black policeman and 1 white policeman both deployed against any perpetrators.

 

[Candidus]

My wife suggested that it would be expedient for black police officers only to be deployed against black perpetrators when they are called in; and that white officers not be deployed against black perpetrators.

Besides offering a Racist solution to a Non-Racist problem, such a "solution" is insanity. Do we only allow female policewomen to arrest females? What about arresting Homosexuals? Where would such a method lead?

"I cannot arrest or detain and active shooter until I know his sexual preference and gender identity, and get the appropriate Officer out here"!

"You cannot arrest me! You are not a Christian!"

 

[justbyfaith]

Besides offering a Racist solution to a Non-Racist problem, such a "solution" is insanity. Do we only allow female policewomen to arrest females? What about arresting Homosexuals? Where would such a method lead?

"I cannot arrest or detain and active shooter until I know his sexual preference and gender identity, and get the appropriate Officer out here"!

"You cannot arrest me! You are not a Christian!"

All I'm saying is that there would be a certain level of comfort for the black person because he knows he is not the object of racism when he is being apprehended by the cops. It would have the similar effect of when a femalr cop is deployed to a situation that is non-violent. There is more peace in such a situation.

And right now, there isn't any kind of outcry among homosexuals of discrimination by those on the force (while there are certain laws on the books that if enforced, would be counted as discrimination against homosexuals).

There are certain things that are basically invisible to the naked eye (such as faith and gender identity) and these would not be cause for deploying people of the same kind to be their arresting officers.

But you are right that it is a non-racist problem. So then, why is everyone on the radical left trying to play the race card over this? I was appalled at what I saw on Blackish last night; it seemed that they were calling for another civil war.

But really, since it is discrimination that causes it to be that 2.5 times the black people are likely to be arrested; and not that there are more black criminals because of the way that they bring their children up, I think that it would be quite expedient to deploy black officers to situations where black criminals are the perpetrators. There would no be more of a load on black officers because it is based on discrimination rather than the actual committing of crimes: black people are being singled out to be arrested and it is not that there are more black perpetrators. And therefore there would be no inequality of workload over the change.

 

[Scoot]

Or perhaps even have 1 black policeman and 1 white policeman both deployed against any perpetrators.

It's my understanding that this is a picture of the 4 officers involved that were fired.

3 holding him down (two were obstructed behind the car in the main video), and then the 4th standing up - guarding them...

If this is true... I'm not sure how much more ethnically diverse they could can make it than was already done in this tragic situation.