A total shutdown was NOT necessary

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Enoch111

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The total shutdown of North America over the COVID19 pandemic since about the middle of March 2020 has had a tremendous negative impact all around, particularly in how Democratic governors have become tyrannical, and loss of civil liberties has taken place (to say nothing of all the other serious issues which have come about).

After looking at the timeline of this pandemic, it would appear that a total shutdown was not necessary, provide the governments of the United States and Canada had acted in concert, and acted as soon as WHO announced that the coronavirus outbreak was a global health emergency.

This announcement was made on January 30, 2020
: “The World Health Organization announced Thursday that the outbreak of a deadly and fast-spreading strain of coronavirus constitutes a global health emergency.” (NPR)

On January 31 the response from the administration was that
Any foreign national who has traveled within China in the last 14 days will not be allowed to enter the United States, according to a proclamation from President Trump.” A rather weak response. But incoming flights from China were not stopped immediately. Then on March 11 travel from 26 European countries was banned, and it was only on March 13, that a national emergency was declared. So for about a month and a half the US government did virtually nothing.

But here is how a total shutdown of the economy of North America could have been avoided completely.

1.
QUARANTINE FACILITIES:
Since the USA has had pandemics coming from China (and other parts of the world) on a regular basis, Mr. Trump should have ordered the setting up of proper quarantine facilities at every international airport and port soon after he took office. There are only 20 such facilities in the whole of America (and perhaps not even adequate for hordes of travelers).

2.
BORDERS:
Both the northern and southern borders should have been shut down completely on January 31 for a period of 30 days (subject to subsequent review).

3.
INTERNATIONAL TRAVELERS: All international travelers should have been quarantined on January 31, and released after proper testing.

4.
INTERNATIONAL FLIGHTS: All international flights into and from the USA should have been stopped on February 1, for a period of 30 days (subject to subsequent review).

5.
CANADA: The Canadian government should also have been asked to shut down all international flights on February 1 for the same period. Lack of cooperation would result in serious repercussions.

6.
INTERSTATE TRAVEL: All non-essential and non-emergency interstate travel should have been shut down for 30 days, following which the situation should have been assessed.

As one can see, the control of the entry of infected people from outside North America was a rather simple matter. But it needed to be enforced properly and immediately, and no exceptions should have been allowed. This would have easily prevented the total shut down of America, and all the issues it has raised (including the numbers who were infected and who died).

Furthermore, Dr. Ben Carson (an accomplished medical surgeon) is already in the Trump administration. There was nothing to stop him from being appointed as the Head of any task force put together to develop further strategies. He should have been the voice of the administration, and there was no need for Mr. Trump to have daily battles with the hostile media.

Since Trump vowed to drain the swamp, and Fauci and Birx were an integral part of the swamp, he did not fire them three years ago, and therefore they took control of the total fiasco which has subsequently occurred. Mr. Trump gets an F for failing to vet these conspirators and to set up a proper task force, as well as for failing to properly drain the swamp in every department.


Furthermore, the nation was allowed to be distracted and impoverished by the bogus Mueller Witch Hunt and the even more bogus Impeachment Hoax, all of which could have been (and should have been) shut down under the Constitution and existing laws. The Democrats had everyone focused on their phony impeachment efforts while the country was under attack.
 

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The total shutdown of North America over the COVID19 pandemic since about the middle of March 2020 has had a tremendous negative impact all around, particularly in how Democratic governors have become tyrannical, and loss of civil liberties has taken place (to say nothing of all the other serious issues which have come about).

After looking at the timeline of this pandemic, it would appear that a total shutdown was not necessary, provide the governments of the United States and Canada had acted in concert, and acted as soon as WHO announced that the coronavirus outbreak was a global health emergency.

This announcement was made on January 30, 2020
: “The World Health Organization announced Thursday that the outbreak of a deadly and fast-spreading strain of coronavirus constitutes a global health emergency.” (NPR)

On January 31 the response from the administration was that
Any foreign national who has traveled within China in the last 14 days will not be allowed to enter the United States, according to a proclamation from President Trump.” A rather weak response. But incoming flights from China were not stopped immediately. Then on March 11 travel from 26 European countries was banned, and it was only on March 13, that a national emergency was declared. So for about a month and a half the US government did virtually nothing.

But here is how a total shutdown of the economy of North America could have been avoided completely.

1.
QUARANTINE FACILITIES:
Since the USA has had pandemics coming from China (and other parts of the world) on a regular basis, Mr. Trump should have ordered the setting up of proper quarantine facilities at every international airport and port soon after he took office. There are only 20 such facilities in the whole of America (and perhaps not even adequate for hordes of travelers).

2.
BORDERS:
Both the northern and southern borders should have been shut down completely on January 31 for a period of 30 days (subject to subsequent review).

3.
INTERNATIONAL TRAVELERS: All international travelers should have been quarantined on January 31, and released after proper testing.

4.
INTERNATIONAL FLIGHTS: All international flights into and from the USA should have been stopped on February 1, for a period of 30 days (subject to subsequent review).

5.
CANADA: The Canadian government should also have been asked to shut down all international flights on February 1 for the same period. Lack of cooperation would result in serious repercussions.

6.
INTERSTATE TRAVEL: All non-essential and non-emergency interstate travel should have been shut down for 30 days, following which the situation should have been assessed.

As one can see, the control of the entry of infected people from outside North America was a rather simple matter. But it needed to be enforced properly and immediately, and no exceptions should have been allowed. This would have easily prevented the total shut down of America, and all the issues it has raised (including the numbers who were infected and who died).

Furthermore, Dr. Ben Carson (an accomplished medical surgeon) is already in the Trump administration. There was nothing to stop him from being appointed as the Head of any task force put together to develop further strategies. He should have been the voice of the administration, and there was no need for Mr. Trump to have daily battles with the hostile media.

Since Trump vowed to drain the swamp, and Fauci and Birx were an integral part of the swamp, he did not fire them three years ago, and therefore they took control of the total fiasco which has subsequently occurred. Mr. Trump gets an F for failing to vet these conspirators and to set up a proper task force, as well as for failing to properly drain the swamp in every department.


Furthermore, the nation was allowed to be distracted and impoverished by the bogus Mueller Witch Hunt and the even more bogus Impeachment Hoax, all of which could have been (and should have been) shut down under the Constitution and existing laws. The Democrats had everyone focused on their phony impeachment efforts while the country was under attack.


you sound like somebody's shrew wife that always ready to b and moan about what others have to do whilst she does nothing.
 

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you sound like somebody's shrew wife that always ready to b and moan about what others have to do whilst she does nothing.

It sounds like you left the "itch" out of your post. If you had included the "itch" in your post it would have made more sense. :rolleyes:
 
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Your solution of firing, (without Facts), appointing, close borders..like Mexico, Ha!, shutting interstates (that trucks food, meds, fuel deliveries), and dictating cooperation from another country to do the same, Might have been possible for a Dictator to militarily accomplish...however Trump is not a Dictator, nor a medical Professional and acts on Advice according to his Advisors Expertise and in conjunction with other authoritative governments figures, many of whom would love to see an economy crash, IF that might bolster them a gain to Win "at all costs" in an upcoming election.

Not with ya on this one Enoch.

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you sound like somebody's shrew wife that always ready to b and moan about what others have to do whilst she does nothing.
That is just a nonsensical response and unworthy of a Christian. I am certainly not moaning, but pointing out what should have been obvious from the start. The simplest solution is always the best, as noted in Occam's Razor.

The truth of the matter is that immediate action was NOT taken on all fronts by the president by February 1, when he had the executive authority, as well as the constitutional responsibility, to protect the nation from any kind of threat. Had he done what was withing his power, the whole issue would have probably disappeared by March 1.

It has been known for ages that human carriers of viruses and bacteria spread them through human contact and proximity with others. So when WHO said it was a GLOBAL HEALTH EMERGENCY, the response should have been of the same nature -- an emergency response. And a 30 day window would allow the nation to assess whether to open up travel or not.

This is apart from the fact that Mr. Trump should have been very aware of what Gates, CDC, NIH, Fauci, Birx, have been up to over the last decade. Funding bio-weapon research with US tax dollars in China was going on under his nose. How come no one brought all this to his attention, or how come he himself was not aware when all this information has been around for a while?

Sweet Innocent Dr. Fauci had an Assistant Doctor Fired and Jailed in 2011 for Warning that Vaccines were Giving Americans Known Chronic Diseases

...Dr. Judy Mikovits is an American hero. Dr. Tony Fauci, her former boss, had her fired and jailed for warning about how vaccinations were giving a known virus to Americans that was known to cause cancer...


 
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I propose a total shutdown of all Enoch111's conspiracy theorist threads, as being necessary and mandatory, and any violation to this injunction will be fined!
 
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When you want to avert a potential disaster, a shutdown is rational, prudent, and in the best interest of society!

With 20/20 hindsight, we will find out if this was the best course. I would rather over-shoot and miss if it meant that people were safe, than undershoot and miss and find out that my lack of action caused more deaths!

Still, we have no idea if the shutdown was unnecessary, but it cannot be denied that it saves lives. Do we shut down economies over every flu because it will save lives? No... but because early indicators that COVID-19 is more easily spread than the average flu has led to extraordinary cautions.

We saw the failures of 1917-1918, and reasonable precautions have been taken. Trump is not Obama in two ways... First, Trump would be ravaged by the Media if he did nothing like Obama did with SARS and over 80,000 Americans died. Secondly, he is now, (even though he responded faster and more thoroughly than any President in history to a health crisis), criticized for not doing enough, or responding fast enough!

The economy will recover; Capitalism self-generates given an opportunity. We will get through this. I am personally impacted financially by this crisis, as are others. Many are worse off than I am, and my heart goes out to them for their plight. I still have food, shelter, and fair health... I am prospering in the Lord. We will get through this; it is far from the worst crisis our Nation has ever seen.
 
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I propose a total shutdown of all Enoch111's conspiracy theorist threads, as being necessary and mandatory, and any violation to this precept will be fined!
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I propose a total shutdown of all Enoch111's conspiracy theorist threads, as being necessary and mandatory, and any violation to this injunction will be fined!
Are you one of those recommending camel urine as a cure for coronavirus, since you are riding that camel into the sunset?
 

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Are you one of those recommending camel urine as a cure for coronavirus, since you are riding that camel into the sunset?
Honestly, I'm recommending subversive posts like yours to be blocked and banned, as a cure for COVID19. Total isolation is the only remedy, outside of a vaccine, and thus, your utter and continuous nonsense does more damage than good.
People like you (irrational and temperamental), are half the problem to this whole pandemic.
 

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Without restrictive measures this could have been as bad as the Spanish flu.
 
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The total shutdown of North America over the COVID19 pandemic since about the middle of March 2020 has had a tremendous negative impact all around, particularly in how Democratic governors have become tyrannical, and loss of civil liberties has taken place (to say nothing of all the other serious issues which have come about).

After looking at the timeline of this pandemic, it would appear that a total shutdown was not necessary, provide the governments of the United States and Canada had acted in concert, and acted as soon as WHO announced that the coronavirus outbreak was a global health emergency.

This announcement was made on January 30, 2020
: “The World Health Organization announced Thursday that the outbreak of a deadly and fast-spreading strain of coronavirus constitutes a global health emergency.” (NPR)

On January 31 the response from the administration was that
Any foreign national who has traveled within China in the last 14 days will not be allowed to enter the United States, according to a proclamation from President Trump.” A rather weak response. But incoming flights from China were not stopped immediately. Then on March 11 travel from 26 European countries was banned, and it was only on March 13, that a national emergency was declared. So for about a month and a half the US government did virtually nothing.

But here is how a total shutdown of the economy of North America could have been avoided completely.

1.
QUARANTINE FACILITIES:
Since the USA has had pandemics coming from China (and other parts of the world) on a regular basis, Mr. Trump should have ordered the setting up of proper quarantine facilities at every international airport and port soon after he took office. There are only 20 such facilities in the whole of America (and perhaps not even adequate for hordes of travelers).

2.
BORDERS:
Both the northern and southern borders should have been shut down completely on January 31 for a period of 30 days (subject to subsequent review).

3.
INTERNATIONAL TRAVELERS: All international travelers should have been quarantined on January 31, and released after proper testing.

4.
INTERNATIONAL FLIGHTS: All international flights into and from the USA should have been stopped on February 1, for a period of 30 days (subject to subsequent review).

5.
CANADA: The Canadian government should also have been asked to shut down all international flights on February 1 for the same period. Lack of cooperation would result in serious repercussions.

6.
INTERSTATE TRAVEL: All non-essential and non-emergency interstate travel should have been shut down for 30 days, following which the situation should have been assessed.

As one can see, the control of the entry of infected people from outside North America was a rather simple matter. But it needed to be enforced properly and immediately, and no exceptions should have been allowed. This would have easily prevented the total shut down of America, and all the issues it has raised (including the numbers who were infected and who died).

Furthermore, Dr. Ben Carson (an accomplished medical surgeon) is already in the Trump administration. There was nothing to stop him from being appointed as the Head of any task force put together to develop further strategies. He should have been the voice of the administration, and there was no need for Mr. Trump to have daily battles with the hostile media.

Since Trump vowed to drain the swamp, and Fauci and Birx were an integral part of the swamp, he did not fire them three years ago, and therefore they took control of the total fiasco which has subsequently occurred. Mr. Trump gets an F for failing to vet these conspirators and to set up a proper task force, as well as for failing to properly drain the swamp in every department.


Furthermore, the nation was allowed to be distracted and impoverished by the bogus Mueller Witch Hunt and the even more bogus Impeachment Hoax, all of which could have been (and should have been) shut down under the Constitution and existing laws. The Democrats had everyone focused on their phony impeachment efforts while the country was under attack.

Hi @Enoch111. Don't be disheartened by negative comments and people pretending like there is only one way
It's not like anyone has any experience and knows what to do in this unprecedented situation

I can understand why the lockdown occurred. It's the fear of the unknown. Now that we know more I think a lockdown was unnecessary

All that was required was to close the borders and protect the people at risk (elderly and sick) by putting them in quarantine
People not at risk can go about their business