About Pharisees.

[DoctrineOfGabriel]

A specific look at different verses that tell a different story about the Pharisees.

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[Stumpmaster]

A specific look at different verses that tell a different story about the Pharisees.

Discussion encouraged.
Pdf in the link.
May all followers of God unite in Christ.

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Obviously there are good Pharisees and bad Pharisees.

If you had family that were persecuted and killed because of the Pharisee Saul of Tarsus before he became the Christian Paul the Apostle you might well have an issue.

Paul describes himself as a Pharisee in several verses of the New Testament. In Philippians 3:5, he writes that he was "circumcised on the eighth day, of the people of Israel, of the tribe of Benjamin, a Hebrew of Hebrews; in regard to the law, a Pharisee". In Acts 23:6, Paul states "I am a Pharisee, the son of a Pharisee".

 

[DoctrineOfGabriel]

Obviously there are good Pharisees and bad Pharisees.

If you had family that were persecuted and killed because of the Pharisee Saul of Tarsus before he became the Christian Paul the Apostle you might well have an issue.

Paul describes himself as a Pharisee in several verses of the New Testament. In Philippians 3:5, he writes that he was "circumcised on the eighth day, of the people of Israel, of the tribe of Benjamin, a Hebrew of Hebrews; in regard to the law, a Pharisee". In Acts 23:6, Paul states "I am a Pharisee, the son of a Pharisee".

Still, christians remember Paul in a good light. While usually christians perceive Pharisees as bad/negative.

With all this information about the goodness of the Pharisees, Christians should be able to have a positive look towards the Pharisees.

Especially when you consider the fact they are not the ones who persecuted Jesus (it was the sadducees, priests)

I would say that it is a good argument to say that the ones who harmed Christianity the most were the romans, that till today desecrate the days of the week with idol names. The romans who have killed millions of christians, and humiliated the birth day of Jesus by mixing it with a pagan holiday.

The romans who mocked Jesus and later used his name to wage wars and unjust crusades of death.

While the Pharisees have their share of sins,they are also greatly involved and responsible for the establishment of the faith in christ.

Without a Pharisee almost none of the apostles would survive(the council and rabbi gamliel defending the apostles) , and jesus would be buried in a ditch with rotting criminal bodies (both persons who bury jesus are jewish Pharisee)

 

[Stumpmaster]

Still, christians remember Paul in a good light. While usually christians perceive Pharisees as bad/negative.

With all this information about the goodness of the Pharisees, Christians should be able to have a positive look towards the Pharisees.

Especially when you consider the fact they are not the ones who persecuted Jesus (it was the sadducees, priests)

I would say that it is a good argument to say that the ones who harmed Christianity the most were the romans, that till today desecrate the days of the week with idol names. The romans who have killed millions of christians, and humiliated the birth day of Jesus by mixing it with a pagan holiday.

The romans who mocked Jesus and later used his name to wage wars and unjust crusades of death.

While the Pharisees have their share of sins,they are also greatly involved and responsible for the establishment of the faith in christ.

Without a Pharisee almost none of the apostles would survive(the council and rabbi gamliel defending the apostles) , and jesus would be buried in a ditch with rotting criminal bodies (both persons who bury jesus are jewish Pharisee)

After Jesus raised Lazarus from the dead, some of the witnesses went to the Pharisees and told them what Jesus had done. Then the chief priests and the Pharisees called a meeting of the Sanhedrin and plotted to kill Jesus. They were afraid that if they let him go on like this, everyone would believe in him and the Romans would come and take away both their temple and their nation.

Mat_12:14 Then the Pharisees went out and plotted against Him, how they might destroy Him.
Mat_22:15 Then the Pharisees went and plotted how they might entangle Him in His talk.
Mat_26:4 and plotted to take Jesus by trickery and kill Him.
Mat_27:1 When morning came, all the chief priests and elders of the people plotted against Jesus to put Him to death.
Mar_3:6 Then the Pharisees went out and immediately plotted with the Herodians against Him, how they might destroy Him.
Joh_11:53 Then, from that day on, they plotted to put Him to death.
Joh_12:10 But the chief priests plotted to put Lazarus to death also,

 

[Enoch111]

Obviously there are good Pharisees and bad Pharisees.

The motives of the Pharisees were actually good. They wanted to do the right thing. But their methodology was bad. They elevated the doctrines of men above the Word of God, and then became hypocrites. They believed that the works of the Law could save them. So they focused on the minutiae and forgot the weightier matters of the Law. Their greatest sin was to reject Christ as their Lord and Savior.

 

[Enoch111]

Especially when you consider the fact they are not the ones who persecuted Jesus...

That is plain nonsense. They hounded Christ constantly.

 

[DoctrineOfGabriel]

That is plain nonsense. They hounded Christ constantly.

They also tried saving him (Luke 13:31)"Just then some Pharisees arrived to tell him, “You must get right away from here, for Herod intends to kill you"
and other pharisees actually saved his followers.
Depends on what passages you want to focus.
As a christian, the path of grace is recommended.

You should surely read the pdf i linked.

 

[DoctrineOfGabriel]

The motives of the Pharisees were actually good. They wanted to do the right thing. But their methodology was bad. They elevated the doctrines of men above the Word of God, and then became hypocrites. They believed that the works of the Law could save them. So they focused on the minutiae and forgot the weightier matters of the Law. Their greatest sin was to reject Christ as their Lord and Savior.

Many Pharisees accepted christ.
In the council in jerusalem there is a whole group of pharisees that are called believers.

While some Pharisees did sin in following law without spirit, it does not justify condemning them all.
Especially since we know that Pharisees belived in the spirit as a general belief.
Thus, the Pharisees that only followed the law, did not even follow their own teachings.

 

[MatthewG]

There are also Christian’s who still did things by law; even after Christ who were saved by the heart.

 

[GRACE ambassador]

May all followers of God unite in Christ.

Precious friend, A Very Warm Welcome to the Board.

Please Be Very RICHLY Encouraged, Enlightened, Exhorted, And Edified In
The LORD JESUS CHRIST, And In His Word Of Truth, Rightly
Divided! (+ I and II!) ← Unity - what a great idea...

Grace, Peace, And JOY!…

 

[GRACE ambassador]

Discussion encouraged.
Pdf in the link:

"If we are to preach the word of God and mention the negative sides of the Pharisees of those times, we should at least mention their positive merits in the same sermon to give a complete true understanding of the gospel."

I've never heard of "positive/negative sides of Pharisees" to be at least mentioned
to "give a complete true understanding of the Gospel of God's Grace."?
I have heard of mentioning:

A) sin/Judgment and The Eternal Consequences = "wages of Second Death," and:

B) The Remedy ↓ ('Positive Merits') ↓ for "the Penalty of sin" is The LORD and Saviour
Jesus Christ, His All-Sufficient BLOOD, and His Resurrection, For Eternal Life.
Amen?

C) Thus, with this "complete true understanding" of God's Gospel Of Grace,
why is there any need to mention any 'positive merits' about sinful groups, since,
In The View of God, His Scripture Saith:

Rom_11:32 "For God Hath Concluded them all in unbelief,​

that He might have Mercy upon all."​

+

Rom 3:9 What then? are we better than they? No, in no wise: for we​

have before proved both Jews and Gentiles, that they are all under sin;​

+

Rom 3:10 As It Is Written, There is none righteous, no, not one:​

Again, please Be Very RICHLY Encouraged, Enlightened, Exhorted, And
Edified In The LORD JESUS CHRIST, And In His Word Of Truth, Rightly
Divided! (+ I and II!) ← ↑ Unity ↑ In Him = still a Great Idea! Amen?

Grace, Peace, And JOY!...

 

[DoctrineOfGabriel]

After Jesus raised Lazarus from the dead, some of the witnesses went to the Pharisees and told them what Jesus had done. Then the chief priests and the Pharisees called a meeting of the Sanhedrin and plotted to kill Jesus. They were afraid that if they let him go on like this, everyone would believe in him and the Romans would come and take away both their temple and their nation.

Mat_12:14 Then the Pharisees went out and plotted against Him, how they might destroy Him.
Mat_22:15 Then the Pharisees went and plotted how they might entangle Him in His talk.
Mat_26:4 and plotted to take Jesus by trickery and kill Him.
Mat_27:1 When morning came, all the chief priests and elders of the people plotted against Jesus to put Him to death.
Mar_3:6 Then the Pharisees went out and immediately plotted with the Herodians against Him, how they might destroy Him.
Joh_11:53 Then, from that day on, they plotted to put Him to death.
Joh_12:10 But the chief priests plotted to put Lazarus to death also,

Some plotted to kill and some came and warned him/defended him in court.
The one to put the final verdict for the death of jesus was the head priest.
As christians we should look on the good side of people, like we do with paul. Or at least not only mention the bad side of a community, when clearly they have many redeeming factors.
Is this so radical?

 

[face2face]

A specific look at different verses that tell a different story about the Pharisees.

Discussion encouraged.
Pdf in the link.
May all followers of God unite in Christ.

DGP1R.pdf | PDF Host

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pdfhost.io

Thanks for this - good read.

 

[DoctrineOfGabriel]

I've never heard of "positive/negative sides of Pharisees" to be at least mentioned
to "give a complete true understanding of the Gospel of God's Grace."?
I have heard of mentioning:

A) sin/Judgment and The Eternal Consequences = "wages of Second Death," and:

B) The Remedy ↓ ('Positive Merits') ↓ for "the Penalty of sin" is The LORD and Saviour
Jesus Christ, His All-Sufficient BLOOD, and His Resurrection, For Eternal Life.
Amen?

C) Thus, with this "complete true understanding" of God's Gospel Of Grace,
why is there any need to mention any 'positive merits' about sinful groups, since,
In The View of God, His Scripture Saith:

Rom_11:32 "For God Hath Concluded them all in unbelief,​

that He might have Mercy upon all."​

+

Rom 3:9 What then? are we better than they? No, in no wise: for we​

have before proved both Jews and Gentiles, that they are all under sin;​

+

Rom 3:10 As It Is Written, There is none righteous, no, not one:​

Again, please Be Very RICHLY Encouraged, Enlightened, Exhorted, And
Edified In The LORD JESUS CHRIST, And In His Word Of Truth, Rightly
Divided! (+ I and II!) ← ↑ Unity ↑ In Him = still a Great Idea! Amen?

Grace, Peace, And JOY!...

Many christians view Pharisees as an example of evil and sin.
If they would simply like you point out say that we are all in sin equally and preach as such, there would be no purpose to show the good side of the Pharisee.

A church that portrays only one side of the story and gives its followers a false impression about the gospel is a church that needs correction.

I simply am trying to shine light on the good side of the Pharisees. Their good deeds are many and all christians owe a lot to the Pharisees.
The least we can do is to equally present their positive and negative sides. And if we do things with grace, we focus on their good merits like we do with paul.

 

[DoctrineOfGabriel]

Thanks for this - good read.

Bless you for the encouragement.
Love will unite us all before christ.

 

[face2face]

That is plain nonsense. They hounded Christ constantly.

Speaking from experience there Enoch?

 

[Enoch111]

Speaking from experience there Enoch?

No one's hounded me and I've hounded no one.

 

[Enoch111]

They also tried saving him (Luke 13:31)"Just then some Pharisees arrived to tell him, “You must get right away from here, for Herod intends to kill you"

That was simply trickery. Do you seriously think they cared?

 

[MatthewG]

Definition

Phar·i·see
/ˈferəˌsē/

noun

1. a member of an ancient Jewish sect, distinguished by strict observance of the traditional and written law, and commonly held to have pretensions to superior sanctity.
   • a self-righteous person; a hypocrite

Definition

pharisee​

noun​

phar·i·see ˈfer-ə-(ˌ)sē
ˈfa-rə-

1
capitalized : a member of a Jewish sect of the intertestamental period noted for strict observance of rites and ceremonies of the written law and for insistence on the validity of their own oral traditions concerning the law

2
: a pharisaical person

 

[face2face]

That was simply trickery. Do you seriously think they cared?

The Sanhedrin were narcissistic men who would do anything to preserve their power and authority, however we not all of the Pharisees were evil; Nicodemus being a good example of a righteous man.