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  1. Doug

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    5:30 The God of our fathers raised up Jesus, whom ye slew and hanged on a tree.


    5:31 Him hath God exalted with his right hand to be a Prince and a Saviour, for to give repentance to Israel, and forgiveness of sins.

    Here Peter was speaking of Christ's resurrection and how Christ has been exalted to God's right hand. It is Israel that receives salvation. He is admonishing them of their guilt for the crucifixion and seeking their repentance. There is no mention here of Gentiles nor the salvation provided by that cross. Peter is preaching the gospel of the Circumcision, which is, Jesus is the Christ, the Son of God; Jesus's resurrection assured his return to establish His Kingdom on earth; the nation of Israel needed to repent.
     
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    "To every thing there is a season". The Gospel would first be preached to the Jews, and then to the Gentiles. And even though Israel had the first chance at being saved, it was the Gentiles who later made up the bulk of the Church.
     
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    You'll notice in Romans 11, God broke off the unbelievers from Israel. And will graft any who believe back in. So this makes Believers in Christ Israel. The broken off unbelievers became gentiles when Jesus abolished circumcision (it made one a physical Jew). And the believing gentiles became Israel in their place, because circumcision is of the heart.
     
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    That tree was cut down in Acts of the Apostles 28:28 , about 64AD, when the Salvation of God (Jesus Christ) was taken from Israel and given to the Gentiles. NO Gentile today is part of Israel, in ANY way. The root and the stump still exist and, when this 100% Gentile 2000 year period is over, in about 2064, the tree will once again grow branches (with NO Gentiles grafted in), Israel will be back on the scene, and OT prophecy will once again start to be fulfilled. NO OT prophecy has been fulfilled since about 64AD.
     
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    This is unfounded. Date setting = not trust worthy
     
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    Hello @Ac28,

    I agree with what you have said here. However, would you be so kind as to explain your calculations regarding 2064.

    Thank you
    In Christ Jesus
    our risen and glorified
    Saviour, Lord and Head.
    chris
     
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    addressing the OP only.
    the Lord's death was not only for Israel sins, but the worlds. supportive scripture,
    1John 2:1 My little children, these things write I unto you, that ye sin not. And if any man sin, we have an advocate with the Father, Jesus Christ the righteous:
    1John 2:2 And he is the propitiation for our sins: and not for ours only, but also for the sins of the whole world.
     
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    'The God of our fathers raised up Jesus,
    whom ye slew and hanged on a tree.
    Him hath God exalted with his right hand
    to be a Prince and a Saviour,
    for to give repentance to Israel,
    and forgiveness of sins.'

    (Acts 5:30-31)

    Hello @101G,

    Doug is seeking to show that Peter, who in the record of Acts 5:30-31 (which he quotes) when speaking to the council at Jerusalem, is fundamentally concerned with telling these rulers within Israel, that God (the God of their Fathers, Abraham, Isaac and Jacob) had raised the Lord Jesus Christ from the dead, and exalted Him to His own right hand. Exalted Him as a Prince and a Saviour, to give repentance to Israel, and the forgiveness of sins.

    * The facts concerning what the Lord Jesus Christ accomplished by His sacrificial work for the world is not the issue in the OP.

    * During the approximately forty years of the Acts period, it was the repentance of Israel that was of prime importance in the purpose of God. Acts 3:19-26 and the words spoken by Peter, show how vital Israel's repentance was and why:-

    'Repent ye therefore, and be converted,
    .. that your sins may be blotted out,
    .... when the times of refreshing shall come from the presence of the Lord;
    And He shall send Jesus Christ, which before was preached unto you:
    .. Whom the heaven must receive until the times of restitution of all things,
    .... which God hath spoken by the mouth of all His holy prophets since the world began.
    For Moses truly said unto the fathers,
    .. "A prophet shall the Lord your God raise up unto you of your brethren, like unto me;
    .... him shall ye hear in all things whatsoever he shall say unto you.
    ...... And it shall come to pass,
    ........ that every soul, which will not hear that prophet,
    .......... shall be destroyed from among the people."
    Yea, and all the prophets from Samuel and those that follow after,
    .. as many as have spoken, have likewise foretold of these days.
    .... Ye are the children of the prophets,
    ...... and of the covenant which God made with our fathers, saying unto Abraham,
    ........ "
    And in thy seed shall all the kindreds of the earth be blessed."
    Unto you first
    .. God,
    having raised up His Son Jesus, sent Him to bless you,
    .... in turning away every one of you from His iniquities.'
    (Acts 3:19-26)

    In Christ Jesus
    Chris
     
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    first off, we need to get the proper understanding as to who raised Jesus from the dead. I suggest you read
    John 2:18 Then answered the Jews and said unto him, What sign shewest thou unto us, seeing that thou doest these things?
    John 2:19 Jesus answered and said unto them, Destroy this temple, and in three days I will raise it up.
    John 2:20 Then said the Jews, Forty and six years was this temple in building, and wilt thou rear it up in three days?
    John 2:21 But he spake of the temple of his body.

    so who raised his body? he did, for he is God.
     
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    No problem, @101G,

    God the Father and The Son: are spoken of in Scripture as having raised the Lord Jesus Christ from the dead. You have referred to John 2:19-21, I also refer to Acts 2:32; Acts 3:15 & 26; Acts 4:10; Romans 8:11; Romans 10:9. There are others, but these should suffice.

    God in Christ and through the power of His Spirit raised Christ from the dead. To argue about this is futile. I find it hard to express this, for it is so very 'other.' Forgive me if my feeble attempt to do so does not comply with your own understanding of it.

    Thank you.
    In Christ Jesus
    Chris
     
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    GINOLJC to all.
    first, thanks charity for your reply. I agree that there is only one God, but the titles Father, Son, and Holy Spirit is of ONE PERSON. titles are not persons.

    and yes we all can find scripturest to support our views, but there is one inescapable fact. there is only one person who hold all two titles.

    understand, God is a "Spirit", per John 4:24a. that eliminated on title. the Father is the SAME Holy Spirit without flrsh. and the Son is the SAME Holy Spirit shared in flesh, meaning diversified, or the offspring.

    understand charity, God, the Spirit, the Holy Spirit is a diversity of himself in flesh.

    you said, "the scriptures, the ones you particularly want to find are eluding you at the moment".
    well I have one that prove my point. it's Revelation 1:1. read that verse carefully, and tell me was it the Father or the Son who sent his angel to "HIS" servent John. but read Revelation 22:6 first before you give your answer. for the angel that was sent told John exactly who sent him.

    I'll be looking for your reaction, or answer to this question.

    thanks in advance
     
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    Matthew 28:19
    19 Therefore go and make disciples of all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father and of the Son and of the Holy Spirit,

    Kai is the Greek word for the. Each person following its usage is a distinct individual, not just a named or title.

    Elohim means three or more persons working in a unity of one.

    In genesis, God said let us, not I will.

    God appeared to Abraham has three men. Abraham addressed him in a singular and all three responded together.

    As said the old testament, when read literally, the lord our gods is one god.

    The word was with god and was god.

    There's no escaping the Trinity.
     
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    First, thanks for the response.

    second, Father, son, and Holy Spirit are titles and not person. all these titles are of the SAME one PERSON.

    so what's the Name of the Father? answser JESUS,
    what's the Name of the Son? answer JESUS,
    what's the Name of the Holy Spirit? answer JESUS

    understand, Father, son, and Holy Spirit are only TITLES of God.

    let's make it clear. is Father God personal name? no, it's his title. is Son God personal name?, no it's his title title. what about the "Holy" Ghost"? is not he the Spirit?, yes, see John 4:24a.
     
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    Now read and address what I said.
     
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    I addressed your matthews 28:19
    ERROR, Elohim means a plurality, and not just three. "working in a unity of one". ERROR, no an H259 echad either.

    Let's put an END to this unity.
    Phil 2:6 Who, being in the form of God, thought it not robbery to be equal with God".
    the Greek word here for "Form" is G3444 μορφή morphe (mor-fee') n.
    1. form.
    2. (intrinsically) fundamental nature.
    KJV: form
    Root(s): G3313

    it's root is
    G3313 μέρος meros (me'-ros) n.
    1. a portion (i.e. an amount allotted, a part of something).
    2. a part.
    3. (as an adverb) partly, in part.
    4. (as a participle) participating (i.e. the act of taking part in).
    5. a piece (i.e. a limited portion).
    6. (of location) a district.
    7. (of livelihood) an occupation (i.e. as ones' portion in life).
    8. a portion in Jesus (see John 13:8).
    {literally or figuratively, in a wide application}

    another word for portion is SHARE, meaning he's the EQUAL "share" of God in flesh, according to his NATURE. the Greek have a word to describe this nature, G243 Allos. which expresses a numerical difference and denotes another of the same sort

    you do understand what a numerical difference is. and this numerical difference is the "same" SORT. look up sort.

    this equal share of God in Flesh is better known as the "Offspring" or the diversity of God in Flesh.

    supportive scripture, Rev 22:16 I Jesus have sent mine angel to testify unto you these things in the churches. I am the root and the offspring of David, and the bright and morning star.

    now you other question.
    God appeared in the OT in many ways and in many forms. "APPEARING" AS MEN IS NOT THE SAME AS "MANIFESTATING" AS A MAN

    God can appear in second or third person, be it in the apperance of a man, a pillar of fire, a cloud by day or a burning bush. Now i ask you, was it God in the burning bush or the burning bush?

    now, you said that there is no escaping the trinity, ok, let's put it to the test.
    now I have many test, but no one have meet this test yet so I'll put it out there again.

    Revelation 1:1 who sent "his" angel to John, read Revelation 22:6 first before you answer.

    NOW ANSWER MY QUESTION.
     
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    Not when you try such a blatant con job.

    That Greek word in your verse is Theos, not Elohim.


    4 Hear, O Israel: The LORD our God is one LORD: ]d'x,a#st0259 h'wh.y .Wnyeh{l/a#st0430 h'wh.y#st03068 lea'r.fIy#st03478 ][;m.v

    Strong's Number: 0430

    Browse Lexicon
    Original Word
    Word Origin
    ~yhla plural of (0433)
    Transliterated Word TDNT Entry
    'elohiym TWOT - 93c
    Phonetic Spelling Parts of Speech
    el-o-heem' Noun Masculine
    Definition
    1. (plural)
      1. rulers, judges
      2. divine ones
      3. angels
      4. gods
    2. (plural intensive - singular meaning)
      1. god, goddess
      2. godlike one
      3. works or special possessions of God
      4. the (true) God
      5. God
    'im in Hebrew is like having 's in English.
     
  17. 101G

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    my source, Mickelson's Enhanced Strong's Dictionaries of the Greek and Hebrew Testaments
    H430 אֱלֹהִים 'elohiym (el-o-heem') n-m.
    אֱלֹהֵי 'elohiy (el-o-hee') [alternate plural]
    1. (literally) supreme ones.
    2. (hence, in the ordinary sense) gods.
    3. (specifically, in the plural, especially with the article) the Supreme God (i.e. the all supreme).
    4. (sometimes) supreme, used as a superlative.
    5. (occasionally, by way of deference) supreme magistrates, the highest magistrates of the land.
    6. (also) the supreme angels (entities of unspecified type).
    [plural of H433]
    KJV: angels, X exceeding, God (gods)(-dess, -ly), X (very) great, judges, X mighty.
    Root(s): H433

    NOW, DO YOU WANT TO ANSWER THAT REVELATION 1:1 QUESTION NOW?.
     
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    Mickelson's Enhanced Strong's Dictionaries is inaccurate.

    Looking at reviews on Mickelson's Enhanced Strong's Dictionaries it is a work in progress and people are finding errors in trying to correct them over time.

    So that, as of now, not a good debate tool.

    I've listened to linguists and others on Elohim, and they all agree with what I said.
     
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    GINOLJC, to all.

    first thats for the response
    second, nope, it's consistence with others, so I must disagree with your assessment.
     
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    Hello @101G,

    Yes, I agree that titles are not persons. There is only one God, but He has manifested Himself to mankind in three different ways. I still have not found the verses I wanted to find: but I will look at Revelation 1:1, and 22:6 as you suggest.

    'The Revelation of Jesus Christ,
    which God gave unto Him,
    to shew unto His servants
    things which must shortly come to pass;
    and He sent and signified it by His angel unto His servant John:... '


    'And he (the angel) said unto me, (John)
    These sayings are faithful and true:
    and the Lord God of the holy prophets
    sent His angel
    to shew unto His servants
    the things which must shortly be done.'
    * Your question was, (quote) 'Was it the Father or the Son who sent his angel to "HIS" servant John?'
    * My understanding of this is that God gave unto the risen Christ this revelation concerning the events surrounding His unveiling or 'revelation' which is to come to pass: to show unto His (God's) servants (a term which is always used of the children of Israel); and He (the risen Christ) sent and signified it, by His angel, unto His servant John; who is told to write down what they (the events) are, or 'signify'' (V.19), which he would see concerning 'the Lord's day' (or the day of the Lord) in vision form, 'in spirit' (1:10).

    In Christ Jesus
    Chris

    * By the way I have altered the wording of reply#10, to which you were responding.
     
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