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    Isaiah 21:2b Advance Elam, up Media; to the battle. Do not hesitate!
    Isaiah 22:6 Elam took up the quiver.....

    Elam and Media, ancient names for the country of Iran. A 'quiver'; an arrow holder. Could refer to missiles and rockets.

    Iran has vowed to retaliate after its most powerful military commander was killed by a US drone strike on Baghdad airport.

    "Severe revenge awaits" those behind the attack on General Qasem Soleimani, said Iran's Supreme Leader.

    At the direction of US President Donald Trump, the US military killed Soleimani, head of Iran's Quds Force, the foreign arm of the IRGC, in the early hours of Friday, January 3, 2020, in an air raid near the cargo area of Baghdad International Airport.

    The Islamic Revolution Guard Corps (IRGC) said 10 people were killed, including five of its members including Soleimani, Abu Mahdi al-Muhandis, deputy leader of Hashd al-Shaabi, or Popular Mobilisation Forces (PMF) - an Iran-backed Iraqi paramilitary unit, was among the dead, as well as other Iraqi militia members.

    The PMF is supported by the IRGC, which trains several groups in the region. The PMF's Al-Muhandis was seen as Tehran's man in Iraq.

    Soleimani was said to have been so close to the supreme leader that he reported directly to him. Ayatollah Khamenei said in a statement carried by state media: "All enemies should know that the jihad (struggle) of resistance will continue with a doubled motivation, and a definite victory awaits the fighters in the holy war."

    Iranian President Hassan Rouhani tweeted: "The great nation of Iran will take revenge for this heinous crime."

    Mohsen Rezaei, former IRGC commander, said on Twitter: "Soleimani joined his martyred brothers, but we will take vigorous revenge on America."

    Mohammad Javad Zarif, Iran's foreign minister, tweeted his response, saying: "The US' act of international terrorism, targeting & assassinating General Soleimani - is extremely dangerous & a foolish escalation."

    The unilateral US sanctions were a declaration of economic war and this reckless move is obviously a major escalation and a declaration of war against Iran,

    The White House and Pentagon said the attack on Soleimani was carried out with the aim of deterring future attacks allegedly being planned by Iran. The Pentagon said Trump had ordered Soleimani's killing" after pro-Iran protesters this week stormed the US Embassy in Baghdad.

    But some believe the attack will lead to more insecurity and violence across the Middle East "exactly contrary to what the Americans claim".
    Ref: Reuters news.
     
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    Advance Elam, make your move Media!

    In this verse, it seems that God is actually encouraging Iran to attack Israel. It’s like Clint Eastwood saying; C’mon, make my day!
    Do not doubt, Iran will attempt to carry out its threats to annihilate Israel. They will do this for several reasons:

    1/ The Islamic leadership of Iran is in trouble, the Iranian people no longer support their incompetent and repressive rule.

    2/ The Mullah’s believe it is their destiny to bring about the advent of the 12th Imam, the Islamic Mahadi.

    3/ The economy is in a shambles, partly due to the sanction imposed because of their nuclear program and to mismanagement and corruption.

    4/ A scapegoat is needed to divert the attention of the people and note the rhetoric of Ayatollah Khomeini; ‘We do not worship Iran, we worship Allah. For patriotism is another name for paganism. I say let this land burn, let this land go up in smoke, provided Islam emerges triumphant’. Quote 1980
    And Ahmadinejad said: ‘Israel will cease to exist, we will remove the cancer from our midst’. This remains the case now, in 2019 and Iran just waits for the opportune moment to commence their attack on Israel. That moment will be God’s Appointed Day, Habakkuk 2:3, Revelation 6:12-17

    5/ But Bible prophesy is the best indication we have that very soon Iran and all the Islamic peoples: Psalms 83:6-8, will commence their attack on Israel.

    Isaiah 21:2b...Advance Elam, up Media: To the siege! Do not hesitate!

    Isaiah 22:6 Elam took up the quiver, the war chariots of Aram are readied and Kir has uncovered the shield.

    Isaiah 22:8a The heart of Judah’s defenses are laid open.

    Jeremiah 49:35-39 I shall break the bow of Elam, the chief weapon of their might. I shall bring the four winds against them and will scatter them. I will terrify Elam before their foes and bring evil upon them, in My fierce anger, I will consume them with My sword until I have made an end to them. Then I shall set My throne in Elam and destroy their rulers and officers. Yet, in days to come I will restore the fortunes of Elam.

    Ezekiel 7:14 The war trumpet has sounded and all are ready, but no war happens, as their actions have instigated the wrath of the Lord. Ref: REB, verses abridged.



    Elam and Media: now Iran. Aram: now Syria. Kir: probably Iraq or Turkey.

    Judah’s defences laid open – This may refer to Isaiah 21:2a, how a traitor will betray Israel and possibly the loss of their good leadership, as per Isaiah 3:1-7, Micah 5:1

    I shall break the bow of Elam, their chief weapon. - Their nuke weapons explode on the launch pad. Psalms 7:12-16, Hosea 2:18, Jeremiah 49:35

    The Lord’s anger will consume them. – As described in Psalms 83:13-17... the Lord’s enemies will be scattered like chaff, with blazing flames and tempests of storm winds, they will suffer disgrace and perish. Zephaniah 1:14-18, Ezekiel 30:1-5
    The strongholds of Islam will be destroyed, it and the other false religions will be no more. Isaiah 66:15-17, Hebrews 10:27

    The wrath of the Lord – This will be the great and terrible Day of the Lord’s vengeance and wrath, a comprehensively prophesied judgement by fire, described to us as an explosion on the suns surface, a Coronal Mass Ejection . It will literally fulfil the Sixth Seal and the 100+ prophesies about that Day; resulting in the fulfilment of the punishment of all the nations. Habakkuk 3:12, Psalms 2:8-9, 2 Peter 3:7
     
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    ZEPHANIAH: THE DAY OF THE LORD'S WRATH. The Day when He destroys His enemies:

    It was Zephaniah's lot to speak on the most unpleasant subject in the Bible -- the judgment of God. This is not the only place where this theme occurs, of course, but it is the most concentrated treatment of the judgment of God as the whole book is devoted to this one theme.

    There are many people who would like to rule this subject of judgment out of the Bible entirely. There are those who tell us that the God of the New Testament, the Father of our Lord Jesus Christ, is the kind of a God who can never move in judgment. His heart is so tender, his love is so gracious, his patience is so infinite that there never will be a time when God will move in vengeance. It should be noted though, that in the New Testament the Lord Jesus spoke very frequently about the judgment of God. In the fourth chapter of Luke we are told that the Lord came back to his home town after preaching in Judea for many months. He had done many miracles and the word of his miracles had preceded him, so all the folks in Nazareth were very anxious to see him. He had not behaved like this when he was a boy growing up, and they were keen to see if he was going to do some mighty work when he came home.

    Luke tells us that Jesus went into the synagogue on the Sabbath day and he was given the book of the prophecy of Isaiah to read. Opening the scroll he found the place in Isaiah 61:1-2a; The Spirit of the Lord is upon me, because he has anointed me to preach good news to the poor. Luke 4:10 Then he stopped right in the middle of a sentence, right at a comma, and his last word was that he had come to proclaim the acceptable year of the Lord. But Isaiah goes on to say, and the day of vengeance of our God. Isaiah 61:2b Jesus did not read that because it was not the time for the Day of vengeance of God. It is this day particularly, that Zephaniah is talking about.

    Zephaniah means "hidden of the Lord" and the prophet is speaking as if he were a representative of the remnant of faith -- those relatively few people who will remain true to God and be faithful to Him, through this disaster that is to come upon the earth. They will be hidden, as it were, by God himself among the nations of the earth and God will watch over them to keep them in faith during this time. And it is about these people that the book of Zephaniah is written, and especially of that coming day, the Day of the Lord’s vengeance and wrath, which is vividly described by the prophet.

    In chapter 1, Zephaniah gives us the character of God's vengeance. It is not a pleasant passage.

    "I will utterly sweep away everything
    from the face of the land, says the Lord.
    I will sweep away man and beast;
    I will sweep away the birds of the air
    and the fish of the sea.
    I will overthrow the wicked;
    I will cut off mankind
    from the face of the earth," says the Lord.
    "I will stretch out my hand against Judah,
    and against all the inhabitants of Jerusalem,
    and I will cut off from this place the remnant of Baal
    [the false god of the peoples around Israel]
    and the name of the idolatrous priests;
    those who bow down on the roofs to the host of heavens;
    [the star worshipers]
    those who bow down and swear to the Lord
    and yet swear by Milcom;
    [one of the other gods the surrounding nations]
    those who have turned back from following the Lord,
    who do not seek the Lord or inquire of him.


    Be silent before the Lord God!
    For the day of the Lord is at hand.


    The day of the Lord is the day of the manifestation of God's hand directly in human affairs. Notice the personal pronoun all through that passage: "I will sweep away everything." I will sweep away man and beast." "I will cut off mankind." God is working through events in history, working through nations and armies and calamities of various sorts. But as He did in Noah’s day, He will use His creation to once again reset civilization, this time with fire, as over 70 prophesies tell us.

    The Apostle Paul also uses the term "the Day of the Lord." In 1 Thessalonians 5:1-6 he says:

    But as to the times and seasons, brethren, you have no need to have anything written to you. [Why not? Well, because they already had it in the Old Testament.] For you yourselves know well that the day of the Lord will come like a thief in the night. When people say, "There is peace and security," then sudden destruction will come upon them as travail comes upon a woman with child, and there will be no escape. But you are not in darkness, brethren, for that day to surprise you like a thief. For you are all sons of light and sons of the day; we are not of the night or of darkness. So then let us not sleep, as others do, but let us keep awake and be sober.

    There are many other passages that also refer to the Day of the Lord and they all agree that in the time when men are proclaiming peace, but preparing for war; in a time when they are holding to a form of godliness but denying the powers thereof; in a time when they are declaring that the problems of life are being solved. but when actually they are in greater danger than they have ever been before, then the Day of the Lord will come.

    Now let us return to Zephaniah and see what he has to say about this (chapter 1. verses 7-9):

    Be silent before the Lord God!
    For the day of the Lord is at hand;
    the Lord has prepared a sacrifice
    and consecrated his guests.
    And on the day of the Lord's sacrifice --
    "I will punish the officials and the king's sons
    and all who array themselves in foreign attire ...
    every one who leaps over the threshold,
    and those who fill their master's house
    with violence and fraud.


    How can this be? How can the God of love -- the God of the New Testament -- do a thing like this? How can God, who loves mercy and is slow to anger, ever come to this place?

    It is this kind of reasoning that suggests we should go through our Bibles and tear out every part that does not agree with our concepts of God. But what we have left, of course, is nothing more than what we like, what we think God ought to be like.

    You can see how such an argument defeats itself. The very book that tells us that God is a God of love also says he is a God of vengeance. And anyone who thinks carefully about himself and about love will understand why a God of love has to be a God of vengeance. For if we love someone, we hate everything that injures that person. We are against whatever threatens or destroys what we love. And the very love that moves the heart of God to pour himself out over the centuries in an unceasing effort to awaken man to his need and to hear the call of grace, is the same love that at last prompts him to eliminate those who refuse all the province of his grace, and identify themselves with that which is opposed to his will and to his work among men. Then he has nothing left to do but to destroy them. And that is why the prophet speaks so plainly about this.

    Continuing in Zephaniah 1:14-18:

    The great day of the Lord is near,
    near and hastening fast;
    the sound of the day of the Lord is bitter,
    the mighty man cries aloud there.
    A day of wrath is that day,
    a day of distress and anguish,
    a day of ruin and devastation,
    a day of darkness and gloom,
    a day of clouds and thick darkness,
    a day of trumpet blast and battle cry
    against the fortified cities
    and against the lofty battlements.


    And God says in stark frankness,

    I will bring distress on men,
    so that they shall walk like the blind,
    because they have sinned against the Lord;
    their blood shall be poured out like dust,
    and their flesh like dung.
    Neither their silver nor their gold
    shall be able to deliver them
    on the Day of the wrath of the Lord.


    Now it is not easy for God to speak this way. He himself says that he takes no delight in the death of men. He says that he does not delight in judgment. Judgment, the prophet says, is his strange work. His heart delights in mercy. But eventually, if his will is to be done, if earth at last is to break out into the glorious freedom of the promises of the prophets concerning man, if the dreams that lie hidden away in the hearts of men of a warless world, a time of prosperity. a time when joy floods the earth, when men live together in glorious harmony, when even the animals lose their enmity toward one another and peace shall cover the earth as the waters cover the sea -- if that is ever to come, then God must deal with the entrenched evil of men. This is why the coming of the day of vengeance of our God is absolutely certain. The prophets warn of this and the word speaks very clearly. all through the New Testament as well, that when God's grace is turned aside, God's judgment awaits.

    In Zephaniah 2:8-9 we trace the extent of God's vengeance. Certain nations are named;

    "I have heard the taunts of Moab
    and the revilings of the Ammonites, "Moab shall become like Sodom,
    and the Ammonites like Gomorrah,


    The Ethiopians are mentioned in verse 12 and the Assyrians in verse 13. The interesting thing is that although all these nations are long since lost in the dust of history, the promise of this day of the Lord is in the future. How can this be? Why are these nations mentioned here when they have long been buried in antiquity? How can they yet be destroyed in a day to come?

    Continued:
     
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    The answer is, of course, that these nations are used symbolically throughout the Scriptures as well as literally. They were literally destroyed in the course of history, but they are used symbolically with reference to the full and final meaning of the day of the Lord. Moab, for instance, is always a picture of the flesh of man -- his dependence upon his own resources. The Ammonites picture the same thing. Ethiopia is a picture of the stubbornness, or the intransigence of man. "Can the Ethiopian change his color?" the Scriptures say. And Assyria is man in his arrogance and his pride. Now God says he is against all these things, and as he moves at last in judgment on the human race, these are to be eliminated. In chapter 3 you will notice how extensive God's wrath is;

    Woe to her that is rebellious and defiled,
    the oppressing city!
    She listens to no voice,
    she accepts no correction.
    She does not trust in the Lord,
    she does not draw near to her God.


    This could be said of almost all the cities of the earth. As you read on you see that this is a world-wide matter;

    "Therefore wait for me," says the Lord,
    "for the day when I arise as a witness.
    For my decision is to gather nations,
    to assemble kingdoms,
    to pour out upon them my indignation,
    all the heat of my anger;
    for in the fire of my jealous wrath
    all the earth shall be consumed."


    What for? What is God after? Is he just interested in getting even, wreaking his vengeance at last upon the stubbornness and willfulness of men? Is he visiting the earth with this terrible hurricane of destruction in order to leave it nothing but a smoking ruin, barren and desolate, without inhabitants? No, that is what men would do if there were another world war. We would leave the earth desolate, but God will never leave it that way.

    After you read the description of all the darkness, gloom, and slaughter -- after the desolation and the destruction, what is the next word? Verse 14:

    Sing aloud, O daughter of Zion;
    shout, O Israel!
    Rejoice and exult with all your heart,
    O daughter of Jerusalem!


    Why? You see, this is the new order that is to follow. This is why God is dealing with men, so that he might bring out songs instead of sorrow, service instead of selfishness, security instead of slavery. This will be the consequence of God's judgment. And we are told that the Lord God is in the midst of the people, not for judgment;

    The Lord within her is righteous,
    he does no wrong; ... The Lord, your God, is in your midst,
    a warrior who gives victory;
    he will rejoice over you with gladness,
    he will renew you in his love;
    he will exult over you with loud singing
    as on a day of festival.


    "I will remove disaster from you, ...
    deal with all your oppressors.
    And I will save the lame
    and gather the outcasts,
    ... change their shame into praise
    and renown in all the earth.
    At that time I will bring you home,


    What a picture this is! Specifically, of course, it has to do with the remnant of Israel, but it is a picture of God's loving care during any time of despair or darkness., God calls back the remnant of Israel, plus all the people grafted in, to Himself and they will at last break out into the song of the redeemed. Now the singing here is led by the Lord himself in a marvellous, glorious melody of joy. It reminds me of that beautiful passage in the Song of Songs:

    For lo, the winter is past,
    the rain is over and gone.
    The flowers appear on the earth,
    the time of singing has come. Song of songs 2:11-12a


    That is what follows the time of judgment. But no one but the redeemed can join in that song. That is what Zephaniah tells us about. Although it is a painful scene, one that begins in darkness and gloom, it ends in joy and gladness and singing.

    Ref: Ray Steadman
     
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    The Fulfilment of the prayer of Asaph:
    Events now unfolding in the Middle East are rapidly bringing closer the apocalyptic scenario as predicted in more than 100 prophetic scriptures, mainly Psalms 83, Joel 3:1-3 Isaiah 2:12-21, Isaiah 66:15-16, Jeremiah 4:23-28, Ezekiel 21:1-7, Micah 4:11-12, Zephaniah 1:14-18, 2 Peter 3:10, Revelation 6:12-17

    As described, the Lord Himself intervenes and strikes all His enemies. Ezekiel 7:14 Ather a massive attack from this Islamic confederation, by the means of a seemingly natural event – a Coronal Mass Ejection that is accurately described by Isaiah 30:26, Malachi 4:1, Psalms 50:1-3


    Psalms 83 begins by describing a conspiracy against Israel, by their neighbouring peoples. Their aim is total annihilation of the Jewish State of Israel, to occupy all the Land and to wipe out any remembrance of them. Although each of the tribal groups mentioned is a historic enemy of Israel and has fought against them on various occasions, there is no record that they ever joined in such an alliance. All of the modern nations who are descendants of the peoples mentioned in Psalms 83, are currently obsessed with an Islamic inspired determination to completely eliminate the Jewish State of Israel.

    Psalms 81:13-15 O that My people would listen to Me, that Israel would walk in My ways! I would soon subdue their enemies and turn My hand against their adversaries. The haters of the Lord pretend submission to Him, but their fate will endure forever.

    Verse 15 tells of a people who hate God [Y’hovah] when they think in their minds that they submit to Him. The word Muslims, means submitters to their God. [Allah]

    So then, when we read in Psalm 83:2 “For your enemies raise an uproar, those who hate you hold their heads high”, it is saying that the enemies mentioned, are those who believe they submit to God, but in reality are full of religious pride and are in fact haters of the true God.

    Psalms 83:18 So let it be known that You, whose name is Y’hovah are alone the Most High over all the earth.

    The reason that God will be so powerfully victorious in this coming attack, is to witness to all unbelievers, especially the Ishmaelite peoples, who will then recognize the true religion and Islam will be discredited.

    The writer of Psalms 83, the prophet Asaph, prays that Israel’s current enemies will be just as soundly defeated as were the Midianites, etc, when their armies were scattered and their leaders executed. Judges 7:25 When this prayer is answered, Israel will be a much bigger country, comprising all the area given by God to Abraham. Ezekiel 47:13-23
    There will be a terrible loss of life, as well as large numbers of refugees, who will flee from all the Mid East countries. But a holy remnant will survive in Jerusalem. After the Land is cleaned and regenerated, then all the faithful Christian believers be they descendants of Jacob, or grafted in Israelites: will be motivated to emigrate to the holy Land. There, they will be an example to the world of how all should live and 144,000 of them will go out to all peoples and proclaim the coming Kingdom of Jesus. Isaiah 66:19, Revelation 7:1-13
     
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    Obadiah 1:15-21 The Day of the Lord is at hand for all the nations, they will be treated as they have treated others and their wrong actions will recoil upon themselves. My people will drink the wine of God’s wrath, then all the nations in turn will drink of it and be devastated by it. But in Jerusalem there will be a holy remnant, the Lord’s people will be like a flame while the House of Esau will be burnt up with no survivors. My [Christian] people will possess all of the holy Land that was given to Abraham and those in Jerusalem who lead My people will control the lands of the Edomites, but the Kingdom belongs to the Lord.

    Isaiah 28:21-22 The Lord will arise as He did at Mt Perazim and in the valley of Gibeon, and storm with rage to do what He must do, to perform His task – a strange and alien deed. But now, have done with all arrogance and pride or the Lord will increase His punishment, for destruction is decreed over the whole Land. Jeremiah 10:18

    Isaiah 26:10-11 Lord: Your hand is lifted high and Your enemies can’t see Your good will toward Your people. [Let them see and be ashamed.] Let the fire reserved for Your enemies consume them. The wicked are destroyed, they have never learnt justice, they are corrupt and blinded to Your Majesty and power.

    Micah 4:11-12 Now, many nations are massed against Israel, they say: Let Zion suffer outrage, we will gloat over their demise. They are unaware of the Lord’s plans, for His purpose is to gather them like sheaves to the threshing floor.

    Nahum 1:5 The earth quakes before the Lord, the world and all who live in it are in tumult. Who can stand before His wrath? Who can resist the fury of His anger, poured out as fire?



    The Lord will arise and storm with rage, as He did in ancient times’. Jeremiah 30:23-24

    His task, strange and alien’. We know God as a God of love, but also of justice and it is just to punish those who do not obey Him and who attack His Land. Isaiah 34:5

    destruction is decreed’. The entire Middle East will be burnt and devastated. Ezekiel 30:3-5, Isaiah 17:1, Amos 1:3-15

    fire reserved for the Lord’s enemies will consume them, His anger poured out as fire’. A massive sunstrike CME will fulfill all these prophesied effects. Deut. 32:22, Isaiah 66:15-16, Malachi 4:1

    ‘My people will drink the wine of God’s wrath’. This will be the third ‘swing of the sword’ Ezekiel 21:14, the final judgement of the Jewish people. Jeremiah 2:9, Eze.24:14

    ‘now, many nations are massed against Israel’. This perfectly describes the situation today and they want to ‘gloat over her demise’. Psalm 83:1-18

    The House of Esau, burnt up – no survivors’. Those attacking Israel will be totally wiped out. Zephaniah 3:8, Zephaniah 2:4-5

    ‘those who lead My people’. Another proof that this all happens before the Return of Jesus. Jeremiah 30:21, Hosea 1:11
     
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    Ezekiel 7:2-9 The Lord God says to the Land of Israel; The end is coming, it will affect all the earth. First, I shall unleash My anger upon you. I shall call you to account for all your sins and abominations that are in your midst. I will not pity nor spare you. Disasters are coming, one after the other, doom is upon you, dweller in the Land - the Day is near – a Day of panic and you will know that it is I, the Lord who has struck you. Isaiah 63:1-6, Isaiah 66:15-16, Psalms 50:1-3, Malachi 4:1, Zephaniah 1:14-18.

    Ezekiel 14:21-23 There is no hope for Jerusalem when I inflict My four punishments upon her, yet some survivors will be left in her- both men and women. Look at them as they come out, they will be a consolation for the disaster I have brought to her. When you look upon their conduct and actions, you will realise that I acted with just cause. Isaiah 22:1-14 Zephaniah 3:11-13

    Ezekiel 16:59-63 The Lord says; I shall treat you as you deserve, because you violated an oath and broke our covenant. But I shall remember you as in the days of your youth and will establish an everlasting covenant with you. Once I have pardoned you, [Judah] you will be so ashamed and humiliated when you remember all your past conduct that you will never again open your mouth. Zechariah 12:5


    This prophecy is about the end of the world as we know it. The Day of the Lord’s vengeance and fiery wrath, will change our way of life. Those ‘dwellers in the Land’, that is in Greater Israel, all of the holy Land, face severe punishments for their sins and abominations. Jeremiah 12:14

    THEN, the rest of all the 12 tribes of Israelites will join the remnant in all the Land of Greater Israel, to prepare for the Return of Jesus. Ezekiel 20:34-38, Ezekiel 36:8-12, Isaiah 11:11-12.



    Isaiah 65:1-2 I was ready to respond, but no one asked – I said; Here I am, to a nation who would not call out to Me. All day long, I hold out My hands, appealing to those rebellious people, but they went their own, evil way and pursued their own devices.

    Isaiah 65:3-7 They were a people who provoked Me by sacrificing to idols and eating unclean things. Such people are an anathema to Me. Your record lies before Me, I shall fully repay your iniquities, both yours and your forefathers.

    Isaiah 65:8-9 The Lord says; as there is juice in a bunch of grapes, so I shall act for the sake of My servants. I shall leave a remnant, giving descendants to Jacob and heirs to Judah. My chosen ones will possess the Land. Those who serve Me will live there. Sheep and cattle will graze there, they will belong to My peoplethose who seek Me.
    Isaiah 41:19-21 Micah 4:6 Ezekiel 34:11-16, Romans 9:24-26

    Isaiah 65:11-12 But you who forsake the Lord, I shall destine you for the sword, because when I called, you did not answer, you chose what displeased Me.

    Isaiah 65:13-16 The Lord says; My servants will eat, drink and rejoice, while you are put to shame. You will cry in anguish, but My righteous people, I will call by another name. All their troubles are forgotten, out of sight. Ref: REB. Some verses abridged.


    Isaiah 65:8-16 The Lord’s righteous Christian people will live in New Israel. Isaiah 65:17-25 describes the joys and blessings of the Millennium reign of Jesus, to come later.

    Ancient Israel disobeyed the Lord and failed to follow His commands. Now, modern Israel [the Jews] fail to acknowledge how God has supported them. Also, the modern House of Israel [the western nations] are mostly atheistic or apostate. The Lord is going to judge and punish both Judah and Israel, leaving only a remnant.

    V9 ‘My chosen people, those who seek Me, will possess the Promised Land. [Every faithful Christian; this will happen before the Return of Jesus]

    V 13 “My servants will live in peace and security, while your enemies are shamed”. Psalms 37:28-29
     
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    The Land, scorched and untrodden

    Jeremiah 9:7-10a These are the Words of the Lord: I shall refine and test them. How else should I deal with My people? They speak lies and place traps for the unwary. Shall I fail to punish them for this? I will exact vengeance, and on the mountains and pastures there will be weeping and wailing. Jer.3:21, Psalm 30:5

    Jeremiah 9:10b-11 The Land is scorched and untrodden, not even birds or beasts remain. Jerusalem and the towns of Judah are ruined and uninhabited. Jeremiah 12:4 & 14, Hosea 4:3

    Jeremiah 9:12 Who is wise enough to understand all this? Who has the Lord’s command to explain it? Why has the Land become a dead Land, burned and laid waste? [These are dual prophesies, to be completely fulfilled in the near future]

    Jeremiah 9:13-20 It is because they rejected My Law, which I set before them, they neither obeyed Me or kept My Laws. They follow the promptings of their wicked hearts, as their forefathers have taught them. Therefore, I shall make them eat and drink bitterness, I will scatter them among the nations, harass and punish them there. Wail and lament, for you have left your Land and your houses are in ruins. Isaiah 10:23, Isaiah 28:21-22

    The Kingdom of Israel, conquered in 720BC and finally exiled in 712 BC, then Judah in 585BC and again in 70AD. The exile of the northern 10 tribes still applies, part of the House of Judah have returned to part of the Land, but they do not fully obey the Lord, so they and all peoples, remain under the threat of punishment.



    Jeremiah 9:21-22 Death has come in the windows and entered our safe places. People in the streets and squares are cut off. Corpses lie everywhere, like swaths behind the reaper, with no one left to gather them. Joel 2:9-11, Jer. 25:33, Jer. 7:32-34

    This is the result of the Great Day of the Lords vengeance and wrath. A massive CME sunstrike will ‘scorch the land ‘, ‘burned and laid waste’. Underground shelters will be the only protection. This is amazingly prophesied for the Jewish remnant, in Isaiah 29:1-4.....you will speak out of the earth. Their voices will squeak ghostlike from underground.


    Jeremiah 9:25-26 The time is coming, says the Lord when I shall punish all the circumcised. The Egyptians, the Jewish people, the Edomites, the Jordanians and all who live on the fringes of the desert. For all alike are uncircumcised and even the whole House of Israel is really uncircumcised in heart. Ezekiel 30:1-5

    The prophesy about scattering His people among the nations has been fulfilled and now we await the full and final regathering back into the Promised Land. In order for that to happen, the great clearance and cleansing as prophesied here and in Jeremiah 12:14, Deuteronomy 32:34-43, will take place. Then the ‘scorched Land ‘ will be regenerated as in;

    Ezekiel 36:8-12 But you, Land of Israel, you will grow your fruit trees and crops, for the homecoming of My people is near. I shall settle on you the whole people of Israel. They will be more prosperous than in days of old. Thus you will know that I am the Lord. Jeremiah 29:13-14, Ezekiel 36:36

    His faithful Christian people will know the Lord by His blessings to them, not by the presence of Jesus, until His Return, to come later.

    Great are the promises to His righteous people!

    Reference: REB, NIV, KJV, some verses abridged. logostelos.info
     
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    The events you are describing from the Old Testament prophets are blueprint patterns to occur on the "day of the Lord". That 'day' is the day of Christ's 2nd coming. It is that day when God's consuming fire will burn man's works off the surface of this earth. God preparing the nations to surround Jerusalem is in prep for His vengeance on that coming "day of the Lord" when Jesus returns. There will be NO safety in Jerusalem at that event. In Luke 21, Jesus even said for those of His in the countries to not enter into Judea when those nation's armies surround Jerusalem.
     
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    No; what the prophesies describe is a terrible Day when the Lord will change the world and commence all the prophesied things that must happen before Jesus Returns - in His Glory, not in fire. The Great Day of Almighty God. Revelation 16:14

    The Day of the Lord's vengeance and wrath by fire, prophesied over 100 times in the Bible, is the Sixth Seal - at least 10+ years BEFORE the Return.
    You confuse Jesus' warning to those in the 1st century to escape the Roman conquest, which they did; with the end time events. When He will simply wipe out the attacking armies by the Sword of His Word and chain up Satan. Rev 19 & 20
     
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    2 Peter 3:10-12
    10 But the day of the Lord will come as a thief in the night; in the which the heavens shall pass away with a great noise, and the elements shall melt with fervent heat, the earth also and the works that are therein shall be burned up.

    11 Seeing then that all these things shall be dissolved, what manner of persons ought ye to be in all holy conversation and godliness,

    12 Looking for and hasting unto the coming of the day of God, wherein the heavens being on fire shall be dissolved, and the elements shall melt with fervent heat?
    KJV


    Jesus in Revelation 16:15 said He comes "as a thief". That is the same timing Paul and Peter gave for that 2 Peter 3 "day of the Lord" event of God's consuming fire burning those elements off the earth.

    To suggest Jerusalem as a safe hiding place during that future event is misleading those in Christ Jesus.
     
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    Did I say that Jerusalem would be spared?
    No, the entire holy Land will be depopulated and devastated. Of the Jews, only a small remnant will survive. Isaiah 29:1-4, Isaiah 6:11-13,+

    It is the terrible Day of the Lords wrath by fire that will strike unexpectedly. He will SEND fire; Amos 1 & 2:1-5, Psalms 11:4-6, +
    Years later, when Jesus Returns; every eye will see Him, as He comes accompanied by His angel army.
    Understanding these two separate days, leads to a correct understanding of all the prophetic Word.
     
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    Your "years later" idea is the problem. The "day of the Lord" when those events of God's consuming fire happens IS... the DAY when Jesus returns. There is no "years later" idea; you're adding that idea to Scripture.
     
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    It is the idea that Jesus Returns in 'consuming fire', in wrath, that is an addition to scripture.
    The 3 clearly stated scriptures describing the Return of Jesus for His Millennium reign, say He comes in glory, not wrath, Rev 19:11, Matthew 24:30, Zechariah 14:3
    Even though Revelation 19:15b mentions the Winepress of the fierce wrath of God, this is past by then, Revelation 14:18-20 Proved by Revelation 19:13, where He Returns clothed in a garment already splashed in the blood of His enemies.
    Matthew 24:20 also proves the wrath of God is over before Jesus Returns. Just some more cosmic events will happen then.

    The great Day of the Lords fiery wrath, is the Sixth Seal; Revelation 6:12-17, which has to be years before the Return, to allow for all the rest of what is prophesied to happen, incl the last seven year period of which the Anti-Christ will control all the world for the last half, 42 months. Revelation 13:5-8
     
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    Well, I guess you might ought to go over your New Testament Bible again instead of dwelling just on the Old Testament, because Christ and His Apostles gave us 'updates' on many things that were given to the prophets...

    2 Thess 1:7-10
    7 And to you who are troubled rest with us, when the Lord Jesus shall be revealed from heaven with His mighty angels,

    8 In flaming fire taking vengeance on them that know not God, and that obey not the gospel of our Lord Jesus Christ:
    9 Who shall be punished with everlasting destruction from the presence of the Lord, and from the glory of His power;
    10 When He shall come to be glorified in His saints, and to be admired in all them that believe (because our testimony among you was believed) in that day.
    KJV
     
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    2 Thessalonians 1:7-10 is not a prophecy about Jesus' Return.
    This is clear from how He will be revealed only to His own when He sends fire to change the world on His Day of fiery wrath; the Sixth seal.

    Please explain why you think Jesus will destroy the world when He Returns. 1 Thess surely does not say it.

    Regarding the OT and the NT, I see them a complimentary and they never contradict each other. It is you who wants to add things to the Prophetic Word.
     
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