After the order of Melchizedek:

[DPMartin]

After the order of Melchizedek:

Gen 14:18 And Melchizedek king of Salem brought forth bread and wine: and he was the priest of the most high God. (Salem is considered to be what is now called Jerusalem)19 And he blessed him, and said, Blessed be Abram of the most high God, possessor of heaven and earth: 20 And blessed be the most high God, which hath delivered thine enemies into thy hand. And he gave him tithes of all.


Note that through Moses the priesthood to the Most High God was established. Moses executing the first acts of priesthood and anointing priesthood but is was Aron and subsequent generations that received priesthood and excusing priesthood according to the law by the hand of Moses. Then telling the Children of Israel they will have a king in the future.

Time came and the Children of Israel wanted a king like other nations and the Lord their God understanding they no longer wanted Him as King, let them first have their choice for a king. After that God placed His choice for a king. These things happened within the context of Israel.

Which now is in the context of the whole of the world. (meaning human population) the priesthood is first established note that religion where ever the Gospel is ok to preach, dominates religion. So now we await the King but will there be a king before God’s chosen?

 

[Davy]

Per Apostle Paul in Hebrews 7, the priesthood of Melchisedec has always... existed, even before the Levites, Aaron, or Moses was in the loins of Abraham. Jesus is priest forever after the order of Melchisedec, meaning it is an eternal priesthood that existed since... Eternity, and will never end.

The Melchisedec of the OT that met Abraham was our Lord Jesus Christ!

Heb 7:1-14
7:1 For this Melchisedec, king of Salem, priest of the most high God, who met Abraham returning from the slaughter of the kings, and blessed him;
2 To whom also Abraham gave a tenth part of all; first being by interpretation King of righteousness, and after that also King of Salem, which is, King of peace;
3 Without father, without mother, without descent, having neither beginning of days, nor end of life; but made like unto the Son of God; abideth a priest continually.
4 Now consider how great this man was, unto whom even the patriarch Abraham gave the tenth of the spoils.
5 And verily they that are of the sons of Levi, who receive the office of the priesthood, have a commandment to take tithes of the people according to the law, that is, of their brethren, though they come out of the loins of Abraham:
6 But he whose descent is not counted from them received tithes of Abraham, and blessed him that had the promises.
7 And without all contradiction the less is blessed of the better.
8 And here men that die receive tithes; but there he receiveth them, of whom it is witnessed that he liveth.
9 And as I may so say, Levi also, who receiveth tithes, payed tithes in Abraham.
10 For he was yet in the loins of his father, when Melchisedec met him.
11 If therefore perfection were by the Levitical priesthood, (for under it the people received the law,) what further need was there that another priest should rise after the order of Melchisedec, and not be called after the order of Aaron?
12 For the priesthood being changed, there is made of necessity a change also of the law.
13 For he of whom these things are spoken pertaineth to another tribe, of which no man gave attendance at the altar.
14 For it is evident that our Lord sprang out of Juda; of which tribe Moses spake nothing concerning priesthood.
KJV

 

[Taken]

Per Apostle Paul in Hebrews 7, the priesthood of Melchisedec has always... existed, even before the Levites, Aaron, or Moses was in the loins of Abraham. Jesus is priest forever after the order of Melchisedec, meaning it is an eternal priesthood that existed since... Eternity, and will never end.

The Melchisedec of the OT that met Abraham was our Lord Jesus Christ!

Heb 7:1-14
7:1 For this Melchisedec, king of Salem, priest of the most high God, who met Abraham returning from the slaughter of the kings, and blessed him;
2 To whom also Abraham gave a tenth part of all; first being by interpretation King of righteousness, and after that also King of Salem, which is, King of peace;
3 Without father, without mother, without descent, having neither beginning of days, nor end of life; but made like unto the Son of God; abideth a priest continually.
4 Now consider how great this man was, unto whom even the patriarch Abraham gave the tenth of the spoils.
5 And verily they that are of the sons of Levi, who receive the office of the priesthood, have a commandment to take tithes of the people according to the law, that is, of their brethren, though they come out of the loins of Abraham:
6 But he whose descent is not counted from them received tithes of Abraham, and blessed him that had the promises.
7 And without all contradiction the less is blessed of the better.
8 And here men that die receive tithes; but there he receiveth them, of whom it is witnessed that he liveth.
9 And as I may so say, Levi also, who receiveth tithes, payed tithes in Abraham.
10 For he was yet in the loins of his father, when Melchisedec met him.
11 If therefore perfection were by the Levitical priesthood, (for under it the people received the law,) what further need was there that another priest should rise after the order of Melchisedec, and not be called after the order of Aaron?
12 For the priesthood being changed, there is made of necessity a change also of the law.
13 For he of whom these things are spoken pertaineth to another tribe, of which no man gave attendance at the altar.
14 For it is evident that our Lord sprang out of Juda; of which tribe Moses spake nothing concerning priesthood.
KJV

Amen!

John 8:58
Jesus said unto them
Verily, verily, I say unto you,
BEFORE Abraham was, I am.

John 8:56
Your Father Abraham rejoiced to SEE my day:
And he SAW it, and was glad.

God Bless,
Taken

 

[DPMartin]

Per Apostle Paul in Hebrews 7, the priesthood of Melchisedec has always... existed, even before the Levites, Aaron, or Moses was in the loins of Abraham. Jesus is priest forever after the order of Melchisedec, meaning it is an eternal priesthood that existed since... Eternity, and will never end.

The Melchisedec of the OT that met Abraham was our Lord Jesus Christ!

Heb 7:1-14
7:1 For this Melchisedec, king of Salem, priest of the most high God, who met Abraham returning from the slaughter of the kings, and blessed him;
2 To whom also Abraham gave a tenth part of all; first being by interpretation King of righteousness, and after that also King of Salem, which is, King of peace;
3 Without father, without mother, without descent, having neither beginning of days, nor end of life; but made like unto the Son of God; abideth a priest continually.
4 Now consider how great this man was, unto whom even the patriarch Abraham gave the tenth of the spoils.
5 And verily they that are of the sons of Levi, who receive the office of the priesthood, have a commandment to take tithes of the people according to the law, that is, of their brethren, though they come out of the loins of Abraham:
6 But he whose descent is not counted from them received tithes of Abraham, and blessed him that had the promises.
7 And without all contradiction the less is blessed of the better.
8 And here men that die receive tithes; but there he receiveth them, of whom it is witnessed that he liveth.
9 And as I may so say, Levi also, who receiveth tithes, payed tithes in Abraham.
10 For he was yet in the loins of his father, when Melchisedec met him.
11 If therefore perfection were by the Levitical priesthood, (for under it the people received the law,) what further need was there that another priest should rise after the order of Melchisedec, and not be called after the order of Aaron?
12 For the priesthood being changed, there is made of necessity a change also of the law.
13 For he of whom these things are spoken pertaineth to another tribe, of which no man gave attendance at the altar.
14 For it is evident that our Lord sprang out of Juda; of which tribe Moses spake nothing concerning priesthood.
KJV

more lies from the davy parade

actually according to the rabbinical thinking Melchisedec was Shem Noah's first born. if I remember Shem lived until Jacob was 50 yr.'s old so that's not imposable. the Lord did visit Abraham on His way to see the conditions in Sodom and Abraham conversed with feed the Lord. but in that visit it is stated that it was the Lord, not Melchisedec.

so what you are really saying is Abraham it to stupid to distinguish a man from the Lord his God. when Abraham was visited by, or spoken to, by the Lord he said it was the Lord. when it some one else Abraham says its some one else. its amazing how you think to know more then Abraham knows about the events he was experiencing.

simple if it was the Lord that came to him from Salem Abraham would have acknowledge him as the Lord.

 

[Taken]

more lies from the davy parade

actually according to the rabbinical thinking Melchisedec was Shem Noah's first born.

Seems rabbinical "thinking", is a fail; IF one is to trust to believe Scripture.
Melchizedek is without beginning or ending.

[/QUOTE]if I remember Shem lived until Jacob was 50 yr.'s old so that's not imposable. the Lord did visit Abraham on His way to see the conditions in Sodom and Abraham conversed with feed the Lord. but in that visit it is stated that it was the Lord, not Melchisedec.

so what you are really saying is Abraham it to stupid to distinguish a man from the Lord his God. when Abraham was visited by, or spoken to, by the Lord he said it was the Lord. when it some one else Abraham says its some one else. its amazing how you think to know more then Abraham knows about the events he was experiencing.[/QUOTE]

simple if it was the Lord that came to him from Salem Abraham would have acknowledge him as the Lord.

Yikes....Your explaination is Abraham "WOULD have addressed him as Lord".

Too bad Abraham was not all knowing...
That the King of Salem, (who blessed Abraham...and Abraham was glad)...IS the Christ, IS the Lord, IS Jesus, IS the Word of God, IS the Quickening Spirit, IS the Power of God, IS the King of Jerusalem, IS thee Almighty God; IS thee anointed of God; IS thee everlasting without beginning or ending.

Convenient, Scripture continued and Revealed; what Abraham did not know. Eh?

God Bless,
Taken

 

[Davy]

more lies from the davy parade

actually according to the rabbinical thinking Melchisedec was Shem Noah's first born. if I remember Shem lived until Jacob was 50 yr.'s old so that's not imposable. the Lord did visit Abraham on His way to see the conditions in Sodom and Abraham conversed with feed the Lord. but in that visit it is stated that it was the Lord, not Melchisedec.

so what you are really saying is Abraham it to stupid to distinguish a man from the Lord his God. when Abraham was visited by, or spoken to, by the Lord he said it was the Lord. when it some one else Abraham says its some one else. its amazing how you think to know more then Abraham knows about the events he was experiencing.

simple if it was the Lord that came to him from Salem Abraham would have acknowledge him as the Lord.

Who listens to rabbi? That's the traditions of Judaism. Who cares about THEIR traditions which Jesus rebuked? THIS IS A CHRISTIAN FORUM, NOT AN ORTHODOX JEWISH FORUM ON THE JEWS' RELIGION.

You are simply a Judahizer, the same types that went peeking around corners to see if the believing Gentiles were circumcized, the very ones that Apostle Paul rebuked in Galatians.

 

[DPMartin]

Seems rabbinical "thinking", is a fail; IF one is to trust to believe Scripture.
Melchizedek is without beginning or ending.

if I remember Shem lived until Jacob was 50 yr.'s old so that's not imposable. the Lord did visit Abraham on His way to see the conditions in Sodom and Abraham conversed with feed the Lord. but in that visit it is stated that it was the Lord, not Melchisedec.

so what you are really saying is Abraham it to stupid to distinguish a man from the Lord his God. when Abraham was visited by, or spoken to, by the Lord he said it was the Lord. when it some one else Abraham says its some one else. its amazing how you think to know more then Abraham knows about the events he was experiencing.[/QUOTE]



Yikes....Your explaination is Abraham "WOULD have addressed him as Lord".

Too bad Abraham was not all knowing...
That the King of Salem, (who blessed Abraham...and Abraham was glad)...IS the Christ, IS the Lord, IS Jesus, IS the Word of God, IS the Quickening Spirit, IS the Power of God, IS the King of Jerusalem, IS thee Almighty God; IS thee anointed of God; IS thee everlasting without beginning or ending.

Convenient, Scripture continued and Revealed; what Abraham did not know. Eh?

God Bless,
Taken[/QUOTE]


the OP subject is "So now we await the King but will there be a king before God’s chosen?"

start your own thread if you want to debate Melchisedec.

 

[DPMartin]

Who listens to rabbi? That's the traditions of Judaism. Who cares about THEIR traditions which Jesus rebuked? THIS IS A CHRISTIAN FORUM, NOT AN ORTHODOX JEWISH FORUM ON THE JEWS' RELIGION.

You are simply a Judahizer, the same types that went peeking around corners to see if the believing Gentiles were circumcized, the very ones that Apostle Paul rebuked in Galatians.

the OP subject is "So now we await the King but will there be a king before God’s chosen?"

start your own thread if you want to debate Melchisedec.

 

[Taken]

if I remember Shem lived until Jacob was 50 yr.'s old so that's not imposable. the Lord did visit Abraham on His way to see the conditions in Sodom and Abraham conversed with feed the Lord. but in that visit it is stated that it was the Lord, not Melchisedec.

The Word of God, has been called by many names and descriptions from the beginning of mankind. Nothing indicates Abraham knew all of His Names, but a scholar of Scritpture should.

so what you are really saying is Abraham it to stupid to distinguish a man from the Lord his God.

No, that is what you said.

when Abraham was visited by, or spoken to, by the Lord he said it was the Lord. when it some one else Abraham says its some one else. its amazing how you think to know more then Abraham knows about the events he was experiencing.

The amazing part is; you are the only one speaking FOR Abraham.

the OP subject is "So now we await the King but will there be a king before God’s chosen?"

Already was. His name is David.

God Bless,
Taken

 

[DPMartin]

The Word of God, has been called by many names and descriptions from the beginning of mankind. Nothing indicates Abraham knew all of His Names, but a scholar of Scritpture should.



No, that is what you said.




The amazing part is; you are the only one speaking FOR Abraham.



Already was. His name is David.

God Bless,
Taken

the OP subject is "So now we await the King but will there be a king before God’s chosen?"

start your own thread if you want to debate Melchisedec.

 

[Truth]

You are simply a Judahizer, the same types that went peeking around corners to see if the believing Gentiles were circumcized, the very ones that Apostle Paul rebuked in Galatians.

I am not in this to take sides, you claim that DPMartin is a Judaizer, So I ask if yo have ever looked into the Council of Laodica, in Cannon 29 - Constantine declarer ed that Christians must not Judaize by resting on the Sabbath, But MUST WORK on that DAY!! honoring rather the Lords Day by resting, if possible, as Christians. However, if any shall be found Judaizing, let them be shut out from Christ!!! Shut out from Christ is a soft way to say Executed! This is where the Forth Commandment went south.
Also Our Savior must have had to much Wine, when He expressed to His Disciples about the last days, where He Said Let not your flight be in the Winter or on the Sabbath, Was keeping the Sabbath, just a presumption on our Savior's part, this took place before the Crucifixion, on the way to the Mount of Olives!
Yes Paul did refute the Jews that were trying to get Gentiles to be circumcised, because Circumcision was only the covenant about the Land, not Salvation!

 

[Taken]

Yes Paul did refute the Jews that were trying to get Gentiles to be circumcised, because Circumcision was only the covenant about the Land, not Salvation!

Disagree. "LAND", is a promise of "inheritance" to Abraham and "his" descendants.......WHO.....have become Saved and Born Again....

And those WHO have become such descendants "ARE" Abrahams descendants, by Promise; and makes no difference, if they are Hebrew, Jew, or Gentile.

Every man WHO, becomes Born of God, becomes a child of Abraham.

Early man gave a Piece of his flesh.
Later man gives his whole Body, crucified with Christ.

It is a gesture of the man; to give to the Lord; the mans LIFE, to the Lord, for the Lords KEEPING, (cleansing, sanctifying, justifying to become redeemed).

The OLD covenant was;
...circumcision of the foreskin, performed by men, and continual repentance, via rituals.
The NEW covenant is:
...circumcision of the heart, performed by the Lord...AND the body being crucified with Christ....and permanent repentance and Forgiveness of the Lord.

There is no LAND promise to anyone who is NOT first forgiven and saved.

God Bless,
Taken

 

[Truth]

Disagree. "LAND", is a promise of "inheritance" to Abraham and "his" descendants.......WHO.....have become Saved and Born Again....

And those WHO have become such descendants "ARE" Abrahams descendants, by Promise; and makes no difference, if they are Hebrew, Jew, or Gentile.

Every man WHO, becomes Born of God, becomes a child of Abraham.

Early man gave a Piece of his flesh.
Later man gives his whole Body, crucified with Christ.

It is a gesture of the man; to give to the Lord; the mans LIFE, to the Lord, for the Lords KEEPING, (cleansing, sanctifying, justifying to become redeemed).

The OLD covenant was;
...circumcision of the foreskin, performed by men, and continual repentance, via rituals.
The NEW covenant is:
...circumcision of the heart, performed by the Lord...AND the body being crucified with Christ....and permanent repentance and Forgiveness of the Lord.

There is no LAND promise to anyone who is NOT first forgiven and saved.

God Bless,
Taken

Yes there are Two types of Circumcision, that I agree, But again the Jews that were trying to get the new Covenant believers to be Circumcised, were trying to get them to adhere to the Covenant for the Land, you know the Land flowing with Milk and Honey, which was promised to the Native Israelite through Abraham. Also the Inheritance to all is for the Kingdom, Grafted into Israel, For We do not Support the Root, But the Root Support's Us, My Statement was to Agree that there were Jews that wanted to get the New Believers to Conform to Pharisees Judaism.
Thank You for Your Response!

 

[Taken]

Yes there are Two types of Circumcision, that I agree, But again the Jews that were trying to get the new Covenant believers to be Circumcised, were trying to get them to adhere to the Covenant for the Land, you know the Land flowing with Milk and Honey, which was promised to the Native Israelite through Abraham. Also the Inheritance to all is for the Kingdom, Grafted into Israel, For We do not Support the Root, But the Root Support's Us, My Statement was to Agree that there were Jews that wanted to get the New Believers to Conform to Pharisees Judaism.
Thank You for Your Response!

Gotcha.

At the time of Jesus and (even after), men were learning new things.
The Jews, steeped in the History and Ways of God; some believing their Messiah had arrived; and others not so sure;
and the Gentiles not steeped in the knowledge of the Jewish God; yet learning of His Messiah.

What to set aside, what to continue...a pretty astounding time for the Jews IMO.

And what an awaking for the Gentiles...eh?

Knowledge always comes first, and later the understanding.
Much was said WITHOUT understanding every time new knowledge was introduced.

God Bless,
Taken

 

[Truth]

Per Apostle Paul in Hebrews 7, the priesthood of Melchisedec has always... existed, even before the Levites, Aaron, or Moses was in the loins of Abraham. Jesus is priest forever after the order of Melchisedec, meaning it is an eternal priesthood that existed since... Eternity, and will never end.

HE was, HE is, and HE is to Come!

 

[bbyrd009]

I am not in this to take sides, you claim that DPMartin is a Judaizer, So I ask if yo have ever looked into the Council of Laodica, in Cannon 29 - Constantine declarer ed that Christians must not Judaize by resting on the Sabbath, But MUST WORK on that DAY!! honoring rather the Lords Day by resting, if possible, as Christians. However, if any shall be found Judaizing, let them be shut out from Christ!!! Shut out from Christ is a soft way to say Executed! This is where the Forth Commandment went south.
Also Our Savior must have had to much Wine, when He expressed to His Disciples about the last days, where He Said Let not your flight be in the Winter or on the Sabbath, Was keeping the Sabbath, just a presumption on our Savior's part, this took place before the Crucifixion, on the way to the Mount of Olives!
Yes Paul did refute the Jews that were trying to get Gentiles to be circumcised, because Circumcision was only the covenant about the Land, not Salvation!

ok, you know this is not the Sabbath thread, but the Melchizedek (omg, finally spelled it right!) thread, right?

good points tho imo. dunno bout that last one tho, seems the principle was expanded to "circumcision of the heart" at least

 

[DPMartin]

Seems rabbinical "thinking", is a fail; IF one is to trust to believe Scripture.
Melchizedek is without beginning or ending.

if I remember Shem lived until Jacob was 50 yr.'s old so that's not imposable. the Lord did visit Abraham on His way to see the conditions in Sodom and Abraham conversed with feed the Lord. but in that visit it is stated that it was the Lord, not Melchisedec.

so what you are really saying is Abraham it to stupid to distinguish a man from the Lord his God. when Abraham was visited by, or spoken to, by the Lord he said it was the Lord. when it some one else Abraham says its some one else. its amazing how you think to know more then Abraham knows about the events he was experiencing



Yikes....Your explaination is Abraham "WOULD have addressed him as Lord".

Too bad Abraham was not all knowing...
That the King of Salem, (who blessed Abraham...and Abraham was glad)...IS the Christ, IS the Lord, IS Jesus, IS the Word of God, IS the Quickening Spirit, IS the Power of God, IS the King of Jerusalem, IS thee Almighty God; IS thee anointed of God; IS thee everlasting without beginning or ending.

Convenient, Scripture continued and Revealed; what Abraham did not know. Eh?

God Bless,
Taken

where do you get the assumption that Melchisedec was Christ nowhere does scripture say Melchisedec was or is Christ.

and you are way off base as far as Abraham knowing who his Lord and Savior is, Christ witnessed to that fact:


Joh 8:56 Your father Abraham rejoiced to see my day: and he saw it, and was glad. 57 Then said the Jews unto him, Thou art not yet fifty years old, and hast thou seen Abraham? 58 Jesus said unto them, Verily, verily, I say unto you, Before Abraham was, I am.

therefore if Abraham was in the Presence of His Lord he would have said so, since it is his story he tells, and when Abraham was in the Presence of his Lord he acknowledged it, and Jesus attested to the fact that Abraham knew Him.

this sounds more like your opinion, then the truth, that's for sure. the scripture states the facts you state something other then that. as far as rabbinical views on whether Melchisedec was Shem, they would certainly know much more about it then you would.

 

[Taken]

where do you get the assumption that Melchisedec was Christ nowhere does scripture say Melchisedec was or is Christ.

Scripture NO WHERE is required to SAY "YOUR" words.

"THIS" Melchisedec is one WHO APPEARED to Abraham, in the LIKENESS AS A MAN, that Abraham COULD SEE.....just as JESUS appeared in the LIKENESS AS A MAN, that men COULD SEE.

THEE CHRIST, IS God, who has APPEARED in the "LIKENESS AS A MAN", for eons.

MEN can NOT SEE GOD, as HE IS!

HOW God APPEARS TO MEN, IS by His own choosing and pleasure.

WHAT God DICTATES, HIS APPEARANCE shall be CALLED (by what name or title), IS by His own choosing and pleasure.

When God APPEARS "as a man"...
He has CHOSEN to be called;
"The" Angel of the Lord.
"Thee" Son of God
JESUS
"THE" Christ.
Melchisedec.
King of Righteousness
King of Salem
King of Jerusalem
King of Peace
High Priest
The HOLY one.
God
Father
Son
Holy Ghost
Holy Spirit
Good
Spirit
Eternal, without beginning or ending
Everlasting
Lord
LORD
God
Almighty
Light
Fire
Savior
Teacher
Master
And on and on.

If you do not RECOGNIZE Melchisedec was "MADE IN THE LIKENESS OF THE SON OF GOD" HEB 7:3

You are the one lacking understanding.

It is God, "AS" (in the role "AS") THEE High Priest, who blesses men with Salvation.

(It is revealed Abraham received His blessing of Salvation....AND WAS GLAD, as most men should be).

There is ONLY ONE Lord God Almighty.
He IS the POWER and GIVER of ALL blessings unto a MAN.

God fills many "ROLES"... and has REVEALED many appropriated NAMES and TITLES HE has chosen to be CALLED.

I have many names and titles, as do others;
While you do not KNOW, all my names and titles......YOU SHOULD KNOW, Gods Names and Titles that are expressly revealed IN Scriptures.

and you are way off base as far as Abraham knowing who his Lord and Savior is, Christ witnessed to that fact:

LOL...
Abraham KNEW the ONE WHO BLESSED Him,
Was
The King of Salem,
The Priest of the MOST High God....

AND...THIS king said to Abram...

Gen 14:19
Blessed BE Abram...

Blessed with WHAT Blessing?

Gen 14:19
Abram being "OF" the most High God.

Any clue when a man becomes "OF" God, what that means?

It IS a man RECEIVING the BLESSING of GODS "SEED"!

Uh ya, Abraham rejoiced and was glad.
As should any man who is blessed to become "OF" God.

Joh 8:56 Your father Abraham rejoiced to see my day: and he saw it, and was glad. 57 Then said the Jews unto him, Thou art not yet fifty years old, and hast thou seen Abraham? 58 Jesus said unto them, Verily, verily, I say unto you, Before Abraham was, I am.

therefore if Abraham was in the Presence of His Lord he would have said so, since it is his story he tells, and when Abraham was in the Presence of his Lord he acknowledged it, and Jesus attested to the fact that Abraham knew Him.

Abram acknowledged he was in the presence of the King of Salem...thee most High Priest.

How many MOST HIGH Priests do you think there are?

The answer is ONE, God Himself.

Gee, why didn't Abram, say oh thank you Jesus? Duh, because the NAME Jesus had not yet been revealed.

Do you NOT recall Jesus saying;
Lest a man be born of water "AND" the Holy Spirit, he can not enter the Kingdom of God?

You think OT men were NOT BLESSED, by the SAME Lord, Jesus, King, God..in the OT?

Of course "they" were; and "they" were called;
Faithful, beloved, saints, godly, upright, perfect, righteous, etc.

this sounds more like your opinion,

No. That is YOUR opinion.

then the truth,

The truth, IS the Word of God, GOD NAMED, Jesus.

The WORD of God, has no beginning or ending, regardless of WHEN you discover the NAME God has given to HIS OWN WORD.

The Scriptures reveal KNOWLEDGE.
You can believe it or not.

However it is the UNDERSTANDING of the KNOWLEDGE, that is PARAMOUNT.

Anyone can read Scripture, ie the Knowledge, and believe it or not.
Even Satan knows the KNOWLEDGE in the Scriptures.

However Satan LACKS the Understanding of the Knowledge......as does EVERYONE lack the understanding of the knowledge....
UNLESS GOD HIMSELF gives an individual,
"HIS" understanding.

God DOES NOT give HIS UNDERSTANDING "TO" individuals, UNTIL AFTER, they are;
BORN...."OF"....God.

I know what MY Standing IS with the Lord.
I know HOW TO receive Gods Understanding of KNOWLEDGE HE HAS PROVIDED, via HIS WORD.

I do not KNOW, what your standing is; or WHAT YOU DO to UNDERSTAND Gods Word, according TO God.

Apparently ... like so many, you skip past seeking Gods understanding, and simply rely on your MIND to formulate opinions and then announce that is "your belief" and "your disbelief" of what others believe.

that's for sure.

No, your mindful opinions have NOTHING whatsoever to do with me.

the scripture states the facts

Uh huh. And HOW MANY HIGH PRIESTS are there....other than God Himself?

you state something other then that.

I gave understanding. Understanding does not appear in ink on paper.

as far as rabbinical views on whether Melchisedec was Shem,

Shem, IS thee High Priest?
Shem, IS without father or mother?
Uh, no.

they would certainly know much more about it then you would.

LOL - Funny. Whoever you are specifically talking about as "rabbinical" view, guessing IF Shem IS thee High Priest...is moot.

Thee High Priest is NOT an earthly man.
Thee High Priest is NOT a Priest appointed by men.
God is THEE High Priest, called by the Title and Name... Christ Jesus.

Heb 3:1

God Bless,
Taken

 

[DPMartin]

Scripture NO WHERE is required to SAY "YOUR" words.


Taken

in context Paul speaks of Melchisedec as a shadow of things to come that Jesus fulfills amongst many other things He fulfills. so in context Paul isn't saying Melchisedec is the Christ.

Heb 6:20 Whither the forerunner is for us entered, even Jesus, made an high priest for ever after the order of Melchisedec.
Heb 7:1 For this Melchisedec, king of Salem, priest of the most high God, who met Abraham returning from the slaughter of the kings, and blessed him;
Heb 7:2 To whom also Abraham gave a tenth part of all; first being by interpretation King of righteousness, and after that also King of Salem, which is, King of peace;
Heb 7:3 Without father, without mother, without descent, having neither beginning of days, nor end of life; but made like unto the Son of God; abideth a priest continually.
Heb 7:4 Now consider how great this man was, unto whom even the patriarch Abraham gave the tenth of the spoils.
Heb 7:5 And verily they that are of the sons of Levi, who receive the office of the priesthood, have a commandment to take tithes of the people according to the law, that is, of their brethren, though they come out of the loins of Abraham:
Heb 7:6 But he whose descent is not counted from them received tithes of Abraham, and blessed him that had the promises.
Heb 7:7 And without all contradiction the less is blessed of the better.
Heb 7:8 And here men that die receive tithes; but there he receiveth them, of whom it is witnessed that he liveth.
Heb 7:9 And as I may so say, Levi also, who receiveth tithes, payed tithes in Abraham.
Heb 7:10 For he was yet in the loins of his father, when Melchisedec met him.
Heb 7:11 If therefore perfection were by the Levitical priesthood, (for under it the people received the law,) what further need was there that another priest should rise after the order of Melchisedec, and not be called after the order of Aaron?
Heb 7:12 For the priesthood being changed, there is made of necessity a change also of the law.


also your logic says that King David was the Christ also because King David maintained the Throne in Israel that the Lord is to sit on.

you are way out there, and way off base, maybe you should wear aluminum foil so people know who you are.

so back to the subject at hand:
Which now is in the context of the whole of the world. (meaning human population) the priesthood is first established note that religion where ever the Gospel is ok to preach, dominates religion. So now we await the King but will there be a king before God’s chosen?

 

[Davy]

in context Paul speaks of Melchisedec as a shadow of things to come that Jesus fulfills amongst many other things He fulfills. so in context Paul isn't saying Melchisedec is the Christ.

Heb 6:20 Whither the forerunner is for us entered, even Jesus, made an high priest for ever after the order of Melchisedec.
Heb 7:1 For this Melchisedec, king of Salem, priest of the most high God, who met Abraham returning from the slaughter of the kings, and blessed him;
Heb 7:2 To whom also Abraham gave a tenth part of all; first being by interpretation King of righteousness, and after that also King of Salem, which is, King of peace;
Heb 7:3 Without father, without mother, without descent, having neither beginning of days, nor end of life; but made like unto the Son of God; abideth a priest continually.
Heb 7:4 Now consider how great this man was, unto whom even the patriarch Abraham gave the tenth of the spoils.
Heb 7:5 And verily they that are of the sons of Levi, who receive the office of the priesthood, have a commandment to take tithes of the people according to the law, that is, of their brethren, though they come out of the loins of Abraham:
Heb 7:6 But he whose descent is not counted from them received tithes of Abraham, and blessed him that had the promises.
Heb 7:7 And without all contradiction the less is blessed of the better.
Heb 7:8 And here men that die receive tithes; but there he receiveth them, of whom it is witnessed that he liveth.
Heb 7:9 And as I may so say, Levi also, who receiveth tithes, payed tithes in Abraham.
Heb 7:10 For he was yet in the loins of his father, when Melchisedec met him.
Heb 7:11 If therefore perfection were by the Levitical priesthood, (for under it the people received the law,) what further need was there that another priest should rise after the order of Melchisedec, and not be called after the order of Aaron?
Heb 7:12 For the priesthood being changed, there is made of necessity a change also of the law.

Didn't you get a fuzzy feeling in your stomach telling you to look further when you left out the following verses that go with those Hebrews 7:1-12 verses?

Heb 7:13-14
13 For he of whom these things are spoken pertaineth to another tribe, of which no man gave attendance at the altar.

14 For it is evident that our Lord sprang out of Juda; of which tribe Moses spake nothing concerning priesthood.
KJV

Those verses are proof that the previous Heb.7:1-12 verses was speaking of our Lord Jesus. Thus according to Hebrews 7, Jesus is Melchisedec that met Abraham and blessed him (see also Genesis 18 & 19).