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After the Rapture: The End of the World

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  1. Rapture and End Times

    Rapture and End Times Member

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    For most people, the concept of "the end of the world" is more fantasy than reality. But, the Holy Bible makes it very clear that the end will come. 4 countdowns give us a clue for the timing of the Rapture and End Times.

    After the Rapture: The End of the World
     
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    Are you saying there's no "rapture" period?

    1 Thessalonians 4:16-17 (NKJV)
    16 For the Lord Himself will descend from heaven with a shout, with the voice of an archangel, and with the trumpet of God. And the dead in Christ will rise first. 17 Then we who are alive and remain shall be caught up together with them in the clouds to meet the Lord in the air. And thus we shall always be with the Lord.
     
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    My understanding is that all creation has a beginning and an end. Only saved souls live forever:

    In the beginning you laid the foundations of the earth, and the heavens are the work of your hands. They will perish, but you remain; they will all wear out like a garment. Like clothing you will change them and they will be discarded.
    Psalms 102:25-28
     
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    After the rapture, many important events will occur. But first, we will define the rapture and when it will occur relative to the tribulation. The rapture is defined as the catching up of all Christians to meet Christ in the air (1 Thessalonians 4:16-17). This will occur just before the Day of the Lord starts (1 Thessalonians 4:16-5:2, see 5:2), and the Day of the Lord starts with the tribulation period (Daniel 9:27). That is, the rapture occurs just before the tribulation. Immediately after the rapture, there will not be any Christians on the earth because all Christians will have been removed. that is, after the rapture there will not be any Christians be on the earth. What follows explains what happens after the rapture.

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    Your Claim Is "False"

    This Earth Will Be Dissolved By The Lords Fire (The Day Of The Lord), It Will Pass Away

    God Will Create A New Heaven, Earth, Jerusalem, (Behold, I Make All Things New)

    2 Peter 3:10-13KJV
    10 But the day of the Lord will come as a thief in the night; in the which the heavens shall pass away with a great noise, and the elements shall melt with fervent heat, the earth also and the works that are therein shall be burned up.
    11 Seeing then that all these things shall be dissolved, what manner of persons ought ye to be in all holy conversation and godliness,
    12 Looking for and hasting unto the coming of the day of God, wherein the heavens being on fire shall be dissolved, and the elements shall melt with fervent heat?
    13 Nevertheless we, according to his promise, look for new heavens and a new earth, wherein dwelleth righteousness.

    Revelation 21:1-5KJV
    And I saw a new heaven and a new earth: for the first heaven and the first earth were passed away; and there was no more sea.
    2 And I John saw the holy city, new Jerusalem, coming down from God out of heaven, prepared as a bride adorned for her husband.
    3 And I heard a great voice out of heaven saying, Behold, the tabernacle of God is with men, and he will dwell with them, and they shall be his people, and God himself shall be with them, and be their God.
    4 And God shall wipe away all tears from their eyes; and there shall be no more death, neither sorrow, nor crying, neither shall there be any more pain: for the former things are passed away.
    5 And he that sat upon the throne said, Behold, I make all things new. And he said unto me, Write: for these words are true and faithful.
     
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    What I said was: There is no rapture to heaven.
    When Jesus Returns, He will send His angels to gather those faithful Christians who remain alive to Him, Matthew 24:30-31
    This gathering is not to heaven and it will not include any bodily change. Those gathered will be with the Lord; in Jerusalem, where they will be His priests and co-rulers. Revelation 5:9-10
    Yes; after the Millennium, there comes Eternity, a spiritual state where those people whose names were found in the Book of Life will live forever in the New Jerusalem. Revelation 21:1-7
    This belief is wrong and cannot happen.
    When Jesus Returns on the Day of Almighty God, Revelation 16:14, all the Great Tribulation disasters will be over.
    Proved by Matthew 24:29-30, Zechariah 14:1-3
    Talking about 'false', your belief of all the prophesies about the end of the world happening when Jesus Returns, is surely false.
    Proved by how prophesies like Psalms 2:1-11, Zechariah 14:16-21, plainly say how Jesus will reign as King over the nations for the next 1000 years after His Return.
     
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    Amazing how much some claim to know what God's Word says while NOT even KEEPING TO GOD'S WORD AS WRITTEN.

    Jesus showed His return and gathering of His saints happens AFTER... the great tribulation (Matthew 24:29-31 and Mark 13:24-27). He made that very easy to understand.

    The events of Christ's coming and gathering of His Church according to Apostle Paul in 1 Thessalonians 4 are the SAME EVENTS JESUS GAVE in those Matthew 24:29-31 and Mark 13:24-27 Scriptures. From Jesus is obviously where Paul learned it from.
     
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    You're not Israel. Get a map.
     
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    Men will be rare as the gold of Ophir, but after everything that offends is removed, there will be a thousand years of peace in His kingdom, and a thousand years of labor and sorrow in the "outer darkness", then Satan will be released one last time to test creation as it was meant to be, and then the Great White Throne judgment, and new heavens, and a new earth. BTW, heaven comes to Earth for the millennium and lives or dies by the eternal gospel. Grace for grace, mercy for mercy, judgment for judgment, according to the measure used, full measure will be returned, but of His covenant of peace, there will be no end.
     
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    Not exactly. The "rapture" is concurrent with the first resurrection at Christ's return in judgment and His victory over the antichrist. This wicked generation will get one sign of His return, the sign of Jonah, for His body will rise from the dead first and we who remain shall be transformed, changed in an instant with the redemption of our bodies, and then meet Him in the air to witness the Hagiyah of our God and to delight in the wedding supper of the lamb.
     
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    Or is the sign of Jonah a reluctant church telling A Lost World the truth? Revival of repentance happens and the wicked are spared. Then God uses the wicked to destroy the church establishment?
     
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    No, I'm sure that the church has been putting on clean garments since Christ came in the flesh, but the church is complete with the capstone, whatever or whoever that might be. Cleary the capstone is of Christ and perhaps it is Christ at His second coming, I couldn't say. But the bride and the Spirit call to Him and beckon Him to come, to return and to reveal His kingdom on Earth in the fullness of His glory. He's already been given all authority in heaven and on Earth, and the last of His enemies, even the hosts of spiritual wickedness in the heavenly places, are compelled to respond to His commandment, to His offer through the eternal gospel, to the feast of tabernacles, to the hagiyah of God, to the wedding feast of the lamb, and to judgment.
     
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    The will be no Millennial Kingdom on this earth, a "Fictional" teaching of man

    When Jesus Christ returns its (The End) Not the beginning of a Millennial Kingdom on Earth

    As scripture clearly teaches below in 1 Corinthinas 15:23-24 , when Jesus Christ returns then comes (The End)

    Many disregard (Then Cometh The End) as they desire to see a mortal Millennial Kingdom on earth, after the coming of Jesus Christ

    afterward they that are Christ's at his coming. Then cometh the end, not a Millennial Kingdom on this earth as many falsely claim

    (Then Cometh The End)

    (Death Is Swallowed Up In Victory)

    1 Corinthians 15:21-26 & 51-54KJV
    21 For since by man came death, by man came also the resurrection of the dead.
    22 For as in Adam all die, even so in Christ shall all be made alive.
    23 But every man in his own order: Christ the firstfruits; afterward they that are Christ's at his coming.
    24 Then cometh the end
    , when he shall have delivered up the kingdom to God, even the Father; when he shall have put down all rule and all authority and power.
    25 For he must reign, till he hath put all enemies under his feet.
    26 The last enemy that shall be destroyed is death.

    51 Behold, I shew you a mystery; We shall not all sleep, but we shall all be changed,
    52 In a moment, in the twinkling of an eye, at the last trump: for the trumpet shall sound, and the dead shall be raised incorruptible, and we shall be changed.
    53 For this corruptible must put on incorruption, and this mortal must put on immortality.
    54 So when this corruptible shall have put on incorruption, and this mortal shall have put on immortality, then shall be brought to pass the saying that is written, Death is swallowed up in victory.
     
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    Sorry, now you're denying scripture. Adios and via con dios.
    4 And I saw thrones, and they sat on them, and judgment was committed to them. Then I saw the souls of those who had been beheaded for their witness to Jesus and for the word of God, who had not worshiped the beast or his image, and had not received his mark on their foreheads or on their hands. And they lived and reigned with Christ for a thousand years. 5 But the rest of the dead did not live again until the thousand years were finished. This is the first resurrection. 6 Blessed and holy is he who has part in the first resurrection. Over such the second death has no power, but they shall be priests of God and of Christ, and shall reign with Him a thousand years.
    By the way, it would be unkind of me not to point out that those who add to or take away from the book of the Revelation come under the curse of the plagues written into that book. That's not a wise move in these last days.
     
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    Can you find the things claimed by those teaching a Literal 1,000 year Millennial Kingdom On This Earth in Revelation 20:1-6 below?

    1.) Physical Earthly Kingdom?
    2.) Physical Earthly Throne?
    3.) Physical Mortal Humans?

    The Above Claims (Don't Exist)

    Revelation 20:1-6 Is 100% In The Lords (Spiritual) Angel, Heaven, Devil, Satan, The Souls, The Dead, God, Christ

    100% Spiritual Realm, No "Literal" Time

    2 Peter 3:8KJV
    8 But, beloved, be not ignorant of this one thing, that one day is with the Lord as a thousand years, and a thousand years as one day.

    Revelation 20:1-6KJV
    1 And I saw an angel come down from heaven, having the key of the bottomless pit and a great chain in his hand.
    2 And he laid hold on the dragon, that old serpent, which is the Devil, and Satan, and bound him a thousand years,
    3 And cast him into the bottomless pit, and shut him up, and set a seal upon him, that he should deceive the nations no more, till the thousand years should be fulfilled: and after that he must be loosed a little season.
    4 And I saw thrones, and they sat upon them, and judgment was given unto them: and I saw the souls of them that were beheaded for the witness of Jesus, and for the word of God, and which had not worshipped the beast, neither his image, neither had received his mark upon their foreheads, or in their hands; and they lived and reigned with Christ a thousand years.
    5 But the rest of the dead lived not again until the thousand years were finished. This is the first resurrection.
    6 Blessed and holy is he that hath part in the first resurrection: on such the second death hath no power, but they shall be priests of God and of Christ, and shall reign with him a thousand years.
     
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    By the way, it would be unkind of me not to point out that those who add to or take away from the book of the Revelation come under the curse of the plagues written into that book. That's not a wise move in these last days.
     
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    A 1,000 year Millennial Kingdom is found "No Place" in the Old Testament, I'm waiting for your posted Old Testament claims?

    As you mentioned Isaiah

    Isaiah Chapters 11 & 65 Is The Very Same Place, The Eternal Kingdom, In The New Heaven And Earth, Don't Be Deceived By Claims This Represents A Millennial Kingdom On This Earth

    Same Wolf & Lamb Together, And Lion Eating Straw Like The Bullock/Ox, In The Eternal Kingdom, In The New Heaven And Earth

    (For, Behold, I Create New Heavens And A New Earth)

    Isaiah 65:17-18 & 25KJV
    17 For, behold, I create new heavens and a new earth: and the former shall not be remembered, nor come into mind.
    18 But be ye glad and rejoice for ever in that which I create: for, behold, I create Jerusalem a rejoicing, and her people a joy.

    25 The wolf and the lamb shall feed together, and the lion shall eat straw like the bullock: and dust shall be the serpent's meat. They shall not hurt nor destroy in all my holy mountain, saith the Lord.

    Isaiah 11:6-7KJV
    6 The wolf also shall dwell with the lamb, and the leopard shall lie down with the kid; and the calf and the young lion and the fatling together; and a little child shall lead them.
    7 And the cow and the bear shall feed; their young ones shall lie down together: and the lion shall eat straw like the ox.
     
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    I fully agree, adding a Millennial Kingdom on this earth in Revelation 20:1-6 is adding something not seen, not a wise thing to do
     
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    The world never ends. It’s cleansed by fire, then restored to original condition before sin.

    Eph 3:21 Unto him be glory in the church by Christ Jesus throughout all ages, world without end. Amen.
     
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