All New—Not Renewed

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Netchaplain

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This is the basis for growth—to be so occupied with Christ, as to forget self! While told to reckon ourselves dead, we are looked upon as already dead in Christ. How is this? Christ is looked upon as coming down into the place of death, that there, where I was without stirring, Christ might be, and rise up out of it for my deliverance.

Because of the death He suffered upon the Cross, as manifested in the power of His resurrection, “old things have passed away, and all things have become new.” It, God will have none of the old Adamic thing now. It is defiled and corrupted, and good for nothing. “All things have become new”—not renewed!

“In Him dwelt all the fullness of the Godhead bodily” (Col 2:9). He is the eternal life that was with the Father, and is manifested unto us. This is not the man that fell out of paradise! How then can God and man be in union? “Except a grain of wheat fall into the ground and die, it abideth alone.” There was the inseparable barrier of man’s will on one side, and the power of death on the other. Therefore He says, “I have a baptism to be baptized with, and how I am straightened until it be accomplished?” But, “if it die (grain of wheat), it bringeth forth much fruit.”

“The exceeding greatness of His power” is in resurrection. “You hath He quickened, who were dead in trespasses and sin.” In connection with, and the basis of it all, is Christ, who is dead and risen, with whom we are quickened together. The Last Adam has not His place as Head of the family except by death first. Why? Because redemption could not have been wrought. Nor would it have been, as now, a question of God’s righteousness. These being accomplished, He is entirely and in everything fitted to be the Head of the new creation.

The Messiah speaks to Nicodemus about the things that he, as a Jew, ought to have understood (Ezek 36). He says, “If I have told you earthly things and ye believe not, how shall ye believe if I tell you of heavenly things?” God’s earthly things were not evil or fleshly things, but the promised earthly portion, which the Jews now were to look for (Jer 31). In the latter day they must be sprinkled with water and have a new heart (Eze 36:25-27) from the Spirit before they can inherit the Millennial Kingdom. This Nicodemus should have known.

Then there are the heavenly things which are infinitely better. “The wind bloweth where it listeth” (Jhn 3:8). There is the sovereign act of His grace. He will take any poor sinners of the Gentiles, as well as the Jews, and bring them into the heavenly blessing He has to give. “God so loved the world.” This goes beyond the Jews. It is not here, God so loved Israel (salvation is for everyone who chooses to receive—NC). For the best, the Son of Man must be lifted up, and for the worst, God would give His only-begotten Son.

What are we brought into by that which Christ has done? He says, “We speak that we do know, and testify that we have seen.” Here was the double revelation of God. Christ was speaking as a Divine Person, and as one who has seen the divine glory. “No man hath see God any time: the only-begotten Son, who is in the bosom of the Father, He hath declared Him.”

He was, Himself, in the unity of the divine essence. Though we were not only men outside it all, but fallen men, yet now, as born of God, what we are not brought into! We have new-creation life in Him; we are one spirit with the Lord. It is not the poor thing of the mere renewal of good qualities; but it is the Lord Jesus Christ, the Eternal Son, Himself making us partakers of His own Life and things.


—J N Darby







MJS daily devotional excerpt for October 12

“By trial our Father reveals whether we can suffer His will as well as do it. By trial He weans us from the world, draws us to His Son, drives us to the Word and to prayer, and shows us our hearts, and makes us humble. We are to learn to be patient in the days of darkness. Our trials are not meant to do us harm, but good. Our Father chastens us ‘for our profit, that we may become partakers of His holiness’ (Heb. 12:10).” -J.C.R.
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While told to reckon ourselves dead, we are looked upon as already dead in Christ. How is this?
God says we've died, and tells us to reckon ourselves dead. Why? Because, though it's happened, we don't believe it. We mistake the echoes for signs of life.

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God says we've died, and tells us to reckon ourselves dead. Why? Because, though it's happened, we don't believe it. We mistake the echoes for signs of life.

Much love!
Yes, "dead unto sin," that is dead to sin's guilt and dominion, but not it's temptations, which keeps us exercising our faith in Christ's atonement (Rom 6:11); and "reckoning" doesn't make it so because we are already dead, then reckon it so for application.
 
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Unless, as Paul tells us a number of times, we are to renew our minds and then put on that refurbished personhood that God intended us to be from the beginning of time.

God makes us like new again, not with respect to our age, but with respect to being refreshed like new again. Sadly, Darby's commentary gets it all wrong.
 

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Unless, as Paul tells us a number of times, we are to renew our minds and then put on that refurbished personhood that God intended us to be from the beginning of time.
Amen, we are "transformed by the renewing of your mind" (Rom 12:2), by the Spirit using Christ's Life (Col 3:4). But it's new, meaning not using anything from the old man--all new.
 

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Amen, we are "transformed by the renewing of your mind" (Rom 12:2), by the Spirit using Christ's Life (Col 3:4). But it's new, meaning not using anything from the old man--all new.

Perhaps I would paraphrase the two referenced verses in your above post this way: -

Romans 12:2: - And do not be conformed to this world, but be transformed by the renewing of your mind, so you show the will of God, which is good, acceptable and perfect.

Colossians 3:4: - When Christ manifests/shines in your life, then you also will appear with Him in glory.

By stating that it is all new, you are invalidating the person who Christ has drawn to himself. We all h
ave giftings that are useful to extend God’s Kingdom, and the overcoming of our old self takes time as God refurbishes us to become the person, he originally intended us to be. God’s remoulding of us over time is our testimony that all are acceptable to God no matter how bad we consider ourselves to be when He first began drawing us to Himself.

I would suggest that you are speaking out of the silence of the scriptures by claiming, - “But it's new, meaning not using anything from the old man--all new.” I view it that God reshapes us so that what was of the old self is now acceptably reshaped to bring Glory to His name.
 
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Romans 12:2: - And do not be conformed to this world, but be transformed by the renewing of your mind, so you show the will of God, which is good, acceptable and perfect.
When one is reborn there is a present possession of "all things that pertain unto life and godliness" (2Pe 1:3); and is gradually manifested in our continued learning to "walk as He walked." It shows that we are already have all we need as we continually apply it all.

Colossians 3:4: - When Christ manifests/shines in your life, then you also will appear with Him in glory.

the overcoming of our old self takes time as God refurbishes us to become the person, he originally intended us to be. God’s remoulding of us over time is our testimony that all are acceptable to God no matter how bad we consider ourselves to be when He first began drawing us to Himself.

I would suggest that you are speaking out of the silence of the scriptures by claiming, - “But it's new, meaning not using anything from the old man--all new.” I view it that God reshapes us so that what was of the old self is now acceptable shaped to bring Glory to His name.
We presently have the glory of Christ (Jhn 17:22), for the oneness of the faith, as the Father and Christ are one in everything, so we should be.

Concerning the old man, God doesn't use anything from it because it's a nature, and He didn't want to change it, but deal with it by the Cross. It's God's desire that His Spirit make us a new nature after His Son (Col 3:10); the Holy Spirit being the Creator of our new birth in Christ and the Father.
 

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Maybe, but the Greek word that is translated as New has the meaning of new with respect to freshness, i.e., like new again/renewed/refurbished.