"All Shall Know Me" - Hebrews 8:11
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Robert Gwin
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God offers everlasting life or death Mr Oop. Nothing more, nothing less. Your choice.
Ronald Nolette
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HI Alley:
You think that because you take that passage which refers to just the surviving Jews of the tribulation and try to make it fit into teh whole world! It doesn't!
Hebrews 8 quotes the New Covenant of Jer. 31:31-34 which belongs to the Jews!
Davy
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It does not... fit into "Eternal Damnationist Doctrine". And I don't see how one could even link the two subjects.
Firstly, it sounds like you need to understand the difference between the wicked being raised to the "resurrection of damnation" at Christ's future return vs. the wicked going into the future "lake of fire" after Christ's future "thousand years" reign.
Per the end of Revelation 20, the abode of the wicked called "hell" (actually Hades) will go into the future "lake of fire" and be destroyed, the wicked along with it. Psalms 37 tells us the wicked will be literally destroyed, and no more. It even says we will look for them and not find them. It says they will consume away and be no more. That means total annihilation. After that future "lake of fire" event, God will bring His new heavens and a new earth time. The wicked won't see it.
But until that future time of destruction, the wicked are assigned to the abode called hell (Hades). And they will be raised to the "resurrection of damnation" at Christ's future coming, and will remain in that state all throughout Christ's future "thousand years" reign with His elect. Only at the end of that thousand years will their fate be determined, because some of them (of those still existing unsaved nations), will believe The Gospel preached to them during that "thousand years", and be saved by Lord Jesus.
Apostle Paul actually covered this difference between the two resurrection TYPES of John 5:28-29. In 1 Corinthians 15 Paul showed that all shall be changed, but that there are TWO changes one must go through to have eternal life in Christ Jesus. The wicked of the "resurrection of damnation" and wicked caught still alive when Jesus comes, will still have 'mortal' souls because of not believing on Jesus. They will still be subject to the "second death" (i.e., casting into the future "lake of fire" after the 1,000 years).
Ronald Nolette
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While we can glean application from all SCripture, too many people forget teh context of OTR& books and Hebrews and James and Peter. These were written to Jewish audiences aqnd that must be a guiding thought when we study these books.
All Scripture is inspired by God, but not all Scripture is applicable to every one.
The book of Hebrews applies to everyone. It contains multiple references to their specific history, so one would have to be familiar with that to get the meaning. But, what is taught there is certainly universal.
Ronald Nolette
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Did you worshihp at the temple? so that is not universal! did you sacrifice bulls and goats? so that is not universal! We can learn lessons from the book, but it i snot universally applicable to every man!
If there were a Temple, it would be appropriate to do so. But, the Temple was destroyed.
In Acts 2, they were in an "upper room." That is a special meeting room on the Temple mount. They were celebrating Shavu'ot, which included offering sacrifices.
Acts 18:21 Paul is insisting that he get to Jerusalem in time for a feast that would have included a sacrifice.
Acts 21:20-24. Paul took a Nazarite vow (Numbers 6) in an effort to prove to his critics that he still obeyed the Torah. That included a sacrifice.
In Acts 2, they were in an "upper room." That is a special meeting room on the Temple mount. They were celebrating Shavu'ot, which included offering sacrifices.
Acts 18:21 Paul is insisting that he get to Jerusalem in time for a feast that would have included a sacrifice.
Acts 21:20-24. Paul took a Nazarite vow (Numbers 6) in an effort to prove to his critics that he still obeyed the Torah. That included a sacrifice.
